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Posted at 6:38 PM ET, 01/21/2011

Open thread: Wizards (12-28) vs. Suns (19-21)

By Michael Lee

Rashard Lewis will start despite the tendinitis in his right knee, as the Wizards begin the first of a home back-to-back set against Phoenix and Boston. They Wizards haven't had home back-to-back set since November of 2005, when they defeated the Seattle SuperSonics, 137-96, and the San Antonio Spurs, 110-95. The Wizards will play five consecutive sets of back-to-back games between now and Feb. 5.

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.

Check out a live box score from tonight's game here.

By Michael Lee  | January 21, 2011; 6:38 PM ET
 
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So as a complete fantasy, a trade of Lewis and/or Hinrich to teams looking for help going into the playoffs could yield some draft choices that could be packaged later. Be half a season remaining to integrate them into the lineup.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Should be a great game. The Suns are red hot having won 4 in a row and 5 of 6 but alot of them have come against down teams. I expect both Dray & NY to keep cooking against this team, espically Dray. It will be a running game and I like our style against them at home. We could lose if we just settle for J’s and let them run but if we go inside either from the post or just driving then we will win

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Nice start for the White team. Got the feeling they decided to take it at McGee, see if they can get him to pick up early fouls. Lewis may found in Frye someone who plays soft enough...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

At some point I imagine we'll see Pietrus on Young...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Be nice if the Wiz could stop this parade to the FT line. These Phoenix guys can make those.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

only 4ft attempts against the Suns? Inexcusable. You live by the J, you die by the J. Have to get back to Dray in the post and have to drive more. Wall's lack of J is killing us again at times and Shard is having another iffy night. With that being said, I thought we had a good sub pattern going in our win streak but then Flip came with some different & strange stuff last game that I thought hurt us and I feel the same about tonight. I think we look great and then we put a crazy lineup out there that has no real scoring and we look like crap. He has to stop that. The other team goes on a run and then the whole momentum has changed

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I dont like the ideal of us playing a slow down halfcourt game to start the 2nd half. We dont have to do that. You cant come in with a running game plan and then get scared out of it. It makes us look out of sorts. We are a running team, we just have to play smarter. Not change our style. This isnt us.

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Why do we always give Dray the ball on the block on his off side? The same with McGee. I dont get that strategy. By off side, I mean there weak hand. Give them the ball on the left block so they can shoot with there right hand. Stop keep giving them the ball on the left block where its way harder for them to do something. All they do is go to the lane and fadeaway. Passing is also harder. Everything is much easier on the left block where they can make decisions with there right hand

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I hate Flip. A dumb strategy to the 2nd half saying we need to walk it up and play more halfcourt when its not our game at all and then the dumb rotations where he keeps not having many scorers in the game. Idiot

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

This team is soooo flipp'n hard to wathch. You got a hot NY with 20 in the 1st half and no one seems to want to get him the ball. I know Nick ain't Kobe but for once I'd like to stop seeing so much 1 on 1, bring the ball up and shoot. No sharing the ball. Javale acting like he's a "go to" guy. I guess the John Wall "potential" greatness is coming?

Posted by: zack9633 | January 21, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Good to see JW share his arm sleeve with KH

Posted by: zack9633 | January 21, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

the refs have been horrible tonight. I never cry about the refs but theyve been brutal. Still, Flip has been way worst so if we lose, its on him

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Al is an idiot. The guy has just hit 20 threes in a row and he see's him right there but he's notr guading him. What is he thinking?

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Nash is just too much. They don't have anybody to slow him down.

He does this to a lot of team, admittedly.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 21, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

both Wall & Kirk are so giveth & taketh away but I guess I could say that about all our guys. Just when you think they are about to do something special, they do something horrible. Thats why we're 12-28

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

We dont have 1 single confident player on the floor. The only guy we have who is confident right now is Kirk and he's on the bench. Man we suck. NY will need to save us or else

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Man we suck. NY will need to save us or else Posted by: dlts2041

More than likely it's or else!

Posted by: zack9633 | January 21, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

dont tell then to pickup the pace now Flip after you told them at the half to slow it down. Screwed up everyone's rythm. We are not a halfcourt team at all

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 21, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

What's that old phrase about making the same mistakes but expecting different results???? It's like watching a replay over and over and over...doesn't matter whether it's on the road or at home...

The home team comes out all fired up in the first period and usually early in the second but the fade comes quickly and easy to see...

There is no leader on this team...you can designate Wall all you want but he is a rookie and not a leader in any way over guys years older than him...He will have to earn it....as I have stated many times before as a group this team has no heart...At times McGee acts like a tiger, same for Blatche, but those times are like every 5th game...

And they refuse to play team defense consistently...score, sure, no problem...30pts first quarter tonite but can't hit 100....and interior defense is non-existent...Oh well....

Posted by: pentagon40 | January 21, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Up until this game, I didn't think Steve Nash had played as sick as usually but I stand corrected or maybe it's us!

Posted by: zack9633 | January 21, 2011 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Outscored 87-58 over the last 3 quarters. Almost 30 points.

If they tried to run with the Suns it would have been 50 points.

No buttons for Saunders to push. No strategy to change, no plays to run, no matchups.. they were just completely outmanned.

Same old same old...

Posted by: SteveMG | January 21, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Same old annoying gripes in here.

1) NY took plenty of shots. He just started taking them outside the flow of the offense. He forgot what a good shot looks like.

2) Starting to notice more and more how bad Wall is at finishing at the rim. He gets more opportunities than most, but he is either going too fast or he lacks the required strength to seal the deal.

3) It's about time Seraphin gets some starts at center. JM is just plain horrendous. He might be the worst starting C in the NBA. Seraphin can pass a little or at least looks to, he takes up space, and he does have individual post moves that don't make you cringe. He looks like he is getting more comfortable being on the floor.

Did you see his rebound with an immediate full length of the court pass for a basket play? Unseld Jr.

4) Andrea Blatche's finesse bs once again made him look more foolish than skilled.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 21, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

This is often the sort of criticism you hear about Ricky. We don't know he'll stack up against players like Chris Paul and Deron Williams. But here's what draftexpress had to say about him in May of 2010:

Draft express is wrong at least as often as they are correct.

I've only seen him play twice last season, and in both I was struck by how much faster he seemed with the ball in his hands than without - a characteristic of some very good PGs.

I've only seen him a handful of times, and have been struck by how pedestrian he appears. Lousy J, not quick at all, weak looking body, no first step, etc. The MVP of his team is our boy Juan Carlos...doesnt that speak volumes?

It's kind of amusing that for all the praise heaped on Rubio, it may very well turn out that the one guy who played against him (Brandon Jennings) comments were the most accurate...and he had to apologize for them.

Posted by: divi3 | January 21, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

NY took plenty of shots. He just started taking them outside the flow of the offense. He forgot what a good shot looks like.

He's the best player on the team and a legit 20+ scorer...I'm cool with his shot selection

Posted by: divi3 | January 21, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

So as a complete fantasy, a trade of Lewis and/or Hinrich to teams looking for help going into the playoffs could yield some draft choices that could be packaged later. Posted by: Samson151

Seems you always want to find ways to get more draft picks as this team needs something much more important than that. How about making trades for some veteran leadership? Or how about this, some players that can actually play team ball?

Posted by: zack9633 | January 21, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

On call so I missed the second half but that's probably my good luck. Certainly a different game for Wall, who got dominated the first time around. I didn't realize the Suns hadn't lost in Washington since 2005...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"...a trade of Lewis and/or Hinrich to teams looking for help going into the playoffs could yield some draft choices that could be packaged later. Posted by: Samson151"
"Seems you always want to find ways to get more draft picks as this team needs something much more important than that. How about making trades for some veteran leadership? Or how about this, some players that can actually play team ball?
Posted by: zack9633"

Um, draft picks can be packaged in a trade for something else -- such as better draft picks, or vet leaders, or even team players.

Draft picks are often easier to trade than veterans because, well, teams can use them in areas of need...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"Draft express is wrong at least as often as they are correct."posted by divi3

I can think of several folks around here who are wrong more often, and a lot less factual about it...

"I've only seen him a handful of times, and have been struck by how pedestrian he appears. Lousy J, not quick at all, weak looking body, no first step, etc." posted by divi3

See above.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article in this week's SI about the Knicks' Landry Fields. Good defender, good rebounder, decent shooter -- apparently he fell in the draft because he's not much of a one on one player. We fans pay way too much attention to individual play in what is intended to be a team game. Then we wonder how our team can possess all these great individual talents and yet somehow manage to lose so many games.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

we wonder how our team can possess all these great individual talents and yet somehow manage to lose so many games.
Posted by: Samson151

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nothing to wonder about. coaching's the answer. you know that.

Posted by: MinuMang | January 22, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

We fans pay way too much attention to individual play in what is intended to be a team game. Then we wonder how our team can possess all these great individual talents and yet somehow manage to lose so many games.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Who's we...you?

I don't think there are that many people on here that either believe the Wizards have great individual talents and/or wonder how they manage to lose so many games.

Based on Mike's poll...

Do you think Flip Saunders is the right coach for this team?

Yes. Young players are improving, team is competitive. 35%

No. Don't like his rotations. Doesn't play the rookies. 64%

64% know why they lose so many games

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Same old annoying gripes in here....

1) NY took plenty of shots. He just started taking them outside the flow of the offense. He forgot what a good shot looks like.

2) Starting to notice more and more how bad Wall is at finishing at the rim. He gets more opportunities than most, but he is either going too fast or he lacks the required strength to seal the deal.

3) It's about time Seraphin gets some starts at center. JM is just plain horrendous. He might be the worst starting C in the NBA. Seraphin can pass a little or at least looks to, he takes up space, and he does have individual post moves that don't make you cringe. He looks like he is getting more comfortable being on the floor.

Did you see his rebound with an immediate full length of the court pass for a basket play? Unseld Jr.

4) Andrea Blatche's finesse bs once again made him look more foolish than skilled.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 21, 2011 9:33 PM

What? Ahh, yes. Right.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 12:47 AM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/videoembed?PID=pYd42ttFZHAnUU6FFrcKjksVvtrRl_48

Flip said he put Booker on Frye and Frye shot right over him...duh...that's why you don't draft a 6'7" PF

Flip has the worst body language and he has the nerve to talk about the players hanging their heads?

Instead of staying with the sysytem...

Can someone explain what Flip's offensive is?

That's the difference between a veteran player and a young player you tell them to do one thing and they understand it because they've been through it...

Can someone who watched the game tell me if Flip ever had Lewis guard Frye he's 6'10" and a veteran player?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 12:56 AM | Report abuse

When you listen to Flip BF78, you must draw the conclusion that he fits into his own self-fulfilling prophecy about what is needed to win in the NBA.

Flip always talks about veteran players, experience, and being able to follow a system comes from being around a while so that you understand whats been asked of you.

Nothing in what he says is anything good or positive about a young Team. Flip does not believe his Team can win. From his comments, he just about expects this Team to be a failure.

Flip believes Teams will win when they have veteran players and experience in years in order to be successful.

He has no clue how to make this young Team a competitive winning Team. He only sees what a veteran proven Team can and is expected to do.

He doesn't see how to shape and mold a young Team to be the best they can be. Surely, no one really expected this Team to be a playoff Team.

However, in order to be emblematic of winning organization like the one in OK that you've said you would like to emulate, you have to see evidence of good coaching on the floor, inspired play, good effort, player development, hustle, heart, desire, and leadership.

Flip does not have a clue how to get this young Team to portray those type of things to an acceptable successful degree.

He doesn't because he wants to see them play like a veteran experienced Team that they are not.

The Flip protagonist can say all they want, but he isn't the right coach for a young Team. Flip wants veterans that can understand what they are being told to do. Young inexperienced players don't understand what they are being told according to him. They can't run the system.

Ted should pay this guy an extra million to just leave. It would be a million well spent. He is just waisting our time. You build a winning attitude and Team now, not when they all become veterans.

Flip is clueless. He is definite proof of his own self-fullfilling prohecy.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 1:45 AM | Report abuse

prophecy

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 1:49 AM | Report abuse

"Surely, no one really expected this Team to be a playoff Team." LarryInClintonMD Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

I think a number of people here did, at least at the beginning. It's a fan site. Not a place for those who allow themselves to be swayed by mere evidence.

Winston Churchill: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject".

A lot of it is based on fan worship of certain players. You see this guy perform his signature 720 degree whirlybird slammerooney and think, 'he's unstoppable!'. Forgetting the occasions when he dribbled off his foot.

When the team fails to perform to the fan's expectations, the easiest thing is to look around for somebody to blame. The coach or GM are the usual targets. After all, they're in charge, right? Sometimes there's merit to it, but that's not a requirement. With truly flawed teams, it's more like blaming Obama for not capping the Gulf oil spill more quickly. Hard to rush the process.

The whole point of the exercise is for the disgruntled fan to feel that he was 'right'. Which in this case means somebody else has to be wrong.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

NY took plenty of shots. He just started taking them outside the flow of the offense. He forgot what a good shot looks like.

He's the best player on the team and a legit 20+ scorer...I'm cool with his shot selection

Posted by: div

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maybe he's the best player and a legit 20+ scorer, and you may be cool with his shot selection, but nick still took too many shots he shouldn't have taken.

maybe his "best player" role has gone to his head. (hope not)

Posted by: MinuMang | January 22, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

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