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Posted at 6:41 PM ET, 01/ 1/2011

Open thread: Wizards (8-23) vs. Hornets (19-14)

By Michael Lee

John Wall already faced a stiff challenge going up against New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul for the first time. But the task will be a little more difficult as the Wizards will not have the services of two players who would provide the most support. Josh Howard (sore left knee) and Kirk Hinrich (left thigh contusion) will both be sidelined against the Hornets. Hinrich will miss his second game in a row and Howard will sit after developing some discomfort in the first half against Indiana on Friday. Howard said he doesn't expect the injury to keep him out more than one game. After Wall took his lumps against Derrick Rose and Steve Nash, Coach Flip Saunders said he was "eager to see" how the No. 1 overall pick responds. "This guy might be the best of all of them," Saunders said.

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.

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By Michael Lee  | January 1, 2011; 6:41 PM ET
Categories:  John Wall, Kirk Hinrich, Kirk Hinrich  
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Comments

This one's for Blurred. . . FIRST!

Posted by: zack9633 | January 1, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

How long are you guys gonns give S'hard Lewis a pass, he hasn't had any consistancy since he's been here. Still waiting for 2nd game with $23 MIL numbers.

Posted by: zack9633 | January 1, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

This game interests me. Not just Wall vs Paul, but Blatche vs David West and McGee/Armstrong against Emeka Okafor, who came up big against Boston the other night.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"How long are you guys gonns give S'hard Lewis a pass..."Posted by: zack9633

A pass? For leaving a contending team to come to Washington in return for Gilbert Arenas' contract?

That guy deserves a medal. And free steaks at Morton's.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm not disappointed in Lewis's play at all.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Fouls an issue, and not in Washington's favor. Could hurt later.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm not disappointed in Lewis's play at all.

LarryInClintonMD.

Not saying he's playing bad but expected more consistant scoring

Posted by: zack9633 | January 1, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Predictably, the Hornets stepped up their level of play in the third. We'll have to see if the Wizards can respond. The Hornets increased defensive intensity has definitely disrupted whatever flow the Wizards had in the first half.

JWall, you're awesome, but some times 1-on-3 just isn't a good idea against good teams.

Posted by: ts35 | January 1, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why every time they show a shot of the coach for NOLA he is sitting on the bench as calm and cool and collect as can be?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering why we are playing Thornton instead of Lewis down the stretch. I am further surprised that McGee is in so far.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Might have helped to have Howard on Ariza tonight, and Hinrich to stabilize the offense a little. Overall not a terrible performance against a better team. McGee played well against Okafor. Nick's shooting percentage improved.

For John Wall, lessons learned. Against Chris Paul, you have a truly great PG with 378 starts under his belt going against one with 14 starts. That in mind, I'd say he's doing just dandy.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Really feel for season ticket holders. As much of a Wiz fan, I couldn't imagine sitting through this effort live. Looks like years away from being something worth paying to see. Maybe it's coaching but it's also a bad group of players.

Posted by: zack9633 | January 1, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Damn I wish we would have hired Mark Jackson instead of Flip Saunders. But, I'm just LarryInClintonMD without any sayso or millions to spend on a new coach. Just to bad the Wiz invested millions in Flip Saunders.

Looking at the bright side, he went into tonights game one win less than the Little General, another popular candidate that everyone wanted...for defense of course.

PuLease.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Might have helped to have Howard on Ariza tonight, and Hinrich to stabilize the offense a little. Overall not a terrible performance against a better team. McGee played well against Okafor. Nick's shooting percentage improved.

For John Wall, lessons learned. Against Chris Paul, you have a truly great PG with 378 starts under his belt going against one with 14 starts. That in mind, I'd say he's doing just dandy.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 9:22 PM

Samson, I can appreciate your positive spin on this loss. However, did you notice the boos from the paying fans this evening.

Paying fans don't really boo when the home team is giving good effort at home. They are upset about this Team. I would not want to just say it is all on the players though, would you?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if it's crossed Teddy's mind that Larry Brown is available. Sure he's 120 years old and isn't the long term answer, but maybe he can teach the young players on this team a few things. What is there to lose at this point?

Posted by: randysbailin | January 1, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

This team has no HEART!!!!!, up by ten in the 2nd quarter...the hornets countered with a stiff jab and the Wizards...no, "Generals" went back to their ole clowning shelves and couldnt match the hornets intensity....the hornets caught and passed them in the 3rd quarter and lefted them in the dust in the 4th quarter...this team is a joke....

Posted by: redskinsfaninnc | January 1, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Blatche sucks. It appears to me that he's become strictly a jump shooter, but his jumper is pooh. It appears to me he's dropping his hands too quickly and not following through. Not only that, when he's on the perimeter, he fails to move the ball the open man.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 1, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

This team has no HEART!!!!!, up by ten in the 2nd quarter...the hornets countered with a stiff jab and the Wizards...no, "Generals" went back to their ole clowning shelves and couldnt match the hornets intensity....the hornets caught and passed them in the 3rd quarter and lefted them in the dust in the 4th quarter...this team is a joke....

Posted by: redskinsfaninnc | January 1, 2011 9:42 PM

I would say they have about the same character as their coach. Never seen him display much emotion and conviction about anything. Has he ever been fined since he's been here.

Ole Flip is just a par for the course kind of guy, ya' think.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Iguodala to miss next 5 games but you know what, still unsure if the can pull out a win in Philly

Posted by: zack9633 | January 1, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I love how everyone jumps on Twitch all the time. He has a team with no talent. If you want to start firing people, start with the GM who has done nothing. He's the constant.

Posted by: jwing14 | January 1, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Blatche sucks. It appears to me that he's become strictly a jump shooter, but his jumper is pooh. It appears to me he's dropping his hands too quickly and not following through. Not only that, when he's on the perimeter, he fails to move the ball the open man.

Posted by: ZardsFan1

Surely you aren't just noyicing this. If not, you left out the part about where he refuses to play inside where he's more effective.

Posted by: zack9633 | January 1, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Shame Booker cant get any PT even with Howard out, would have liked to see him on Ariza...but that's what happens when you take on a $22mill/yr contract

Posted by: divi3 | January 1, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I put every effort to stay positive on this young team but there is noting to live with, even wall is regressing.I need his game to be consistant on ball handling assists and defense.I like what i saw on JM today. there is noting negative on RL,he is trying to ballance his game and contribute on everything.6boards,3assists and 2 steals are good for a small forward.Ths stat may show areza dominated him but areza got 8 points on fast break with steal either from him or CP.all in all i would say RL has a good game tonight.
I do not know about you but i missed KH, he is very important for this team to have a ballanced game even if they do not win.sine KH is out they are scoring less than 43%.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 1, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

correction: noticing

Posted by: zack9633 | January 1, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Don't understand how it can be said that Hinrich is missed when the script plays the same without him. Hinrich out, Hinrich in, script the same. We need a new writer.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

How about that Hudson and Martin lineup? I noticed that the Hornets threw out Jason Smith with the hog farmer for a stretch, too. The Wizards need Wall to play well to win, but he looked like a rookie tonight.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 1, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Some key guys out -- Heinrick, Josh Howard. Josh Howard seems to be really important to this team.

Meanwhile, the Wizards have reached 10-day contract time. Who should they try out, depending on injuries? Joe Alexander is playing well in the D League, for one.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | January 1, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

10 day contract the coaches. Let the 3 or 4 of them have a 10 day run and the one with the most wins coaches for the rest of the season. Course now if Flip does not win his ten days he has to be fired.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder why every time they show a shot of the coach for NOLA he is sitting on the bench as calm and cool and collect as can be?"

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 8:58 PM

"I would say they have about the same character as their coach. Never seen him display much emotion and conviction about anything. Has he ever been fined since he's been here."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 10:05 PM

Hmmm . . .

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 1, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking the all around game we're seeing from Lewis. I figured he'd be less of a spot-up shooter here than in Orlando, if for no other reason than the absence of a guy like Howard in the middle would mean fewer of those shots being available. But seeing how adept he is at making plays off the dribble (both scoring and passing) makes me question Stan Van Gundy's strategy in using him almost solely as a spot-up bomber the last couple of years.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 1, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Zack9633, Blatche's J and his carelessness with the ball have gotten worse.

I was holding out hope that it was going to take a little while for him to get into shape given his injury this summer. And then I expected him to play at least as well as he played at the end of last season. But he isn't the player he was last season, and he is so slow and lacks all explosion.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 1, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Good thing we have coaches.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Why?

Aren't you the one who always says the players who are responsible for the wins and losses not the coach.

I can't believe the owners waste money on a coach if it's all about the players.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 1, 2011 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"Paying fans don't really boo when the home team is giving good effort at home. They are upset about this Team. I would not want to just say it is all on the players though, would you?"

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 9:33 PM

Please. Fans, paying and otherwise, get upset and boo at any and everything, regardless of whose fault it is or whether it has anything to do with winning or losing. That's what fans do. The relationship between fan ire and anything of substance is pretty much nonexistent.

Wall was outclassed by one of the best PGs in the game. One's a rookie with a lot to learn, one's a perennial All-Star and possible future HoFer. All the booing in the world won't change that. The only thing that will is time and experience for Wall.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 1, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

You mean the OKC team that played Kevin Durant (2nd overall choice), Russell Westbrook (4th overall), and Jeff Green (8th) but also had Joe Smith (13th season), Malik Rose (12th season), Chucky Atkins (9th season), Desmond Mason (8th season), Earl Watson (7th), Chris Wilcox (6th), and Nick Collison and Nenad Krstic(both 4th year)?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Yea the same team...

Kevin Durant 20 39.0 mpg 74 games
Jeff Green 22 36.8 mpg 78 games
Russell Westbrook 20 32.5 mpg 82 games
Thabo Sefolosha 24 31.1 mpg 23 games
Desmond Mason 31 27.3 mpg 39 games
Earl Watson 29 26.1 mpg 68 games
Nick Collison 28 25.8 mpg 71 games
Nenad Krstic 25 24.8 mpg 46 games

Looks like the young guys played in more games and logged more mpg but you can tell by how bad they have played since that year the way they were embarrassed has really hurt their development?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 1, 2011 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"Paying fans don't really boo when the home team is giving good effort at home. They are upset about this Team. I would not want to just say it is all on the players though, would you?LarryInClintonMD."

This was a night when it would have helped to have Josh Howard and the reviled Hinrich.

But yeah, effort is ultimately on the players. It's the one thing the coaches can't teach them.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like the young guys played in more games and logged more mpg but you can tell by how bad they have played since that year the way they were embarrassed has really hurt their development?Posted by: bulletsfan78"

You're arguing with somebody else again. I'm not the one who worried about embarrassment. I don't care whether they're embarrassed.

I think the kids need to play with vets because it's the best way for them to improve.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:33 PM | Report abuse

After the purge of AJ, CB, DS and BH last year, the Wizards ran a low post offense that, at the very least, was interesting to watch. I really thought that with the addition of John Wall, Kirk Hinrich and Yi, and with Josh Howard and Gil coming back, the Wizards would be able to take advantage of the double/triple teams that other teams were playing against Andray Blatche and run an offense that would allow our good shooters to get into a position to be effective when Blatche passed out of the double teams.
Obviously, that didn't work out as I hoped since Saunders decided to not focus on what worked and try to improve it. Instead, he determined to abandon what had been successful and run a guard-oriented offense where the big men are expected to set picks 30 feet from the basket and then hit 25-30 jump shots when the point guards get trapped. Fans who are on Blatche for his shot selection might want to consider what he is doing 25-30 feet from the basket...and who put him there.
Presently, the Wizards have no offense at all. Wall or Hinrich simply dribble around until someone sets a pick for them. The only semblance of a play consists of Nick running around (much like Rip Hamilton did for the Pistons) looking for a pass to shoot a jumper.
The only game this year when the Wizards looked like a team that wanted to play was against the Pacers on Dec. 29th when they won by 14, but were in control the entire game. Those same Pacers kicked the Wizards butts two nights later. There was one significant difference in those two games...and it wasn't just the home and home venue. The Wizards had a coach who appeared to be respected and who respected the players in the 12/29 game...and they had Saunders two nights later.
If the Wizards want to develop a young group of players into an eventual winner, they need to get a coach who can TEACH. Saunders is apparently not a coach who can teach young players. He is a coach who expected to have a veteran team that would be contending for a title. He doesn't appear to have a clue about how to win with this team. It is time to get a different head coach. Wittman, Cassell or Banks have my vote on an interim basis, and let's see what happens. It can't be worse!

Posted by: getabigboyoffense | January 1, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the ThunderTots -- Kevin Durant (2), Westbrook (4), Jeff Green (8), and Harden (3) -- were all much higher draft choices than Seraphin (17), Booker (23), Nick Young (16), Javale McGee (18), and Andray Blatche (49) were. I think that makes a difference in expectations -- or it should, at least.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I apologize if my last post was too long for anyone's attention span...I'll sum it up...FIRE SAUNDERS NOW!

Posted by: getabigboyoffense | January 1, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

"Aren't you the one who always says the players who are responsible for the wins and losses not the coach.I can't believe the owners waste money on a coach if it's all about the players.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

I have trouble believing that the owners waste money on some of these players if it's all about the coaching. I suppose they could just offer Mike K $25 mil a year to coach a bunch of D-leaguers.

But of course, it isn't all about the coaching, is it?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder if it's crossed Teddy's mind that Larry Brown is available. Sure he's 120 years old and isn't the long term answer, but maybe he can teach the young players on this team a few things. What is there to lose at this point?Posted by: randysbailin"

LOL when Larry's teams lose, he starts wanting to dump the roster.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:49 PM | Report abuse

"10 day contract the coaches."Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

What if we did that with Blatche and McGee?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Expectations?

How can anyone expect anything from a player (Booker)that gets a DNP while Lewis got 40 mins in a meaningless loss?

I'm sure Booker made the decision on his own not to play and the coach had nothing to do with it.

I believe if the Wizards are committed towards a youth movement then play the young guys to see if they can play.

Flip started Booker and Seraphin in Sac and then they both become bench warmers. Sort of like picking up Gee and Flip started him for 5 games and then they release him.

Flip is clueless...can't wait to see how you try to spin this one.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 1, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

"Don't understand how it can be said that Hinrich is missed when the script plays the same without him. Hinrich out, Hinrich in, script the same. We need a new writer. LarryInClintonMD"

I thought he might have helped stabilize the club a little, particularly Wall. Might not have been enough to win, however. That's a better team than Washington.

However I don't know how they'll do in the playoffs. They have some talent deficits.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

But of course, it isn't all about the coaching, is it?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

No, it isn't all about the coaching...but the coach is a big part of it.

The only problem is you want to give him all of the credit for the wins and no blame for the losses.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 1, 2011 11:57 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the ThunderTots -- Kevin Durant (2), Westbrook (4), Jeff Green (8), and Harden (3) -- were all much higher draft choices than Seraphin (17), Booker (23), Nick Young (16), Javale McGee (18), and Andray Blatche (49) were. I think that makes a difference in expectations -- or it should, at least.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 1, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

It's kinda hard to have high draft pick when you trade them for junk.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | January 1, 2011 11:59 PM | Report abuse

"Flip started Booker and Seraphin in Sac and then they both become bench warmers. Sort of like picking up Gee and Flip started him for 5 games and then they release him.Flip is clueless...can't wait to see how you try to spin this one.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Aren't you the guy who just a couple days ago, after the Indy victory, posted something along the following lines: "Randy Wittman 1-0.
Flip Saunders 7-22.
Flip's a dud."

I don't think it's possible to communicate with someone whose brain works in such mysterious ways.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you getabigboyoffense. Outside of the alley-oops to JaVale, the Wizards don't run any set plays through their bigs. We traded Arenas for Rashard Lewis. And we have managed to score 100 points TWO times since the trade. Rashard is taking way too many long range jumpers. We have to start going inside to our bigs if we are to have any chance of competing [let alone winning]. What's the logic in running a three-guard offense, when you only have two healthy guards on the roster? Run some low post plays for JaVale and Rashard. I could draw up better x's and o's than Saunders.

Posted by: musicmanjr | January 2, 2011 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"The only problem is you want to give him all of the credit for the wins and no blame for the losses.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Hmmm.. the problem is that you blame Flip for the losses but give him no credit for anything positive.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

" I could draw up better x's and o's than Saunders.Posted by: musicmanjr"

Call me crazy, but I'd take that bet.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Aren't you the guy who just a couple days ago, after the Indy victory, posted something along the following lines: "Randy Wittman 1-0.
Flip Saunders 7-22.
Flip's a dud."

I don't think it's possible to communicate with someone whose brain works in such mysterious ways.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

That was in responce to your buddy kal's post where he wrote

Randy Wittman 1-0
Stud

But I wouldn't expect you to read a persons post and understand it since you read with your Wizard blinders on.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 2, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"Flip is clueless...Posted by: bulletsfan78"

BTW -- I bet Flip would say the same about you.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"But I wouldn't expect you to read a persons post and understand it since you read with your Wizard blinders on.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

LOL I contend that I can't understand your ideas because they don't actually make sense.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused about one thing involving coaching at the NBA level. The Wizards have around eight coaches. There's only 15 players, and many of the players are very experienced pros. So what do all these coaches do? There's some suggestion that the coaches aren't teaching the players. But how could that possibly be true? The Wizards have so many coaches, it's more like a tutoring staff. The coach to player ratio is better than 1:2.

The simpler solution to this puzzle is that many of the key players aren't very coachable.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | January 2, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

A TEAM effort is required for a team to be successful. It's not all about the players and it's not all about the coaching/mamagement. It's a combination of all of the elements. A problem with the Wizards is that they have no leadership, and I don't just mean on the floor. When Saunders appointed an untested 19 year-old rookie with ZERO NBA minutes and a newly-acquired NBA veteran with ZERO experience with the Wizards organization to be the Wizards team captains, it said more about the coach's lack of understanding of human relationships and how to motivate his team than anything else. It demonstrated his own lack of leadership. I mean this as no knock against John Wall or Kirk Hinrich. Saunders placed each of them in a very bad position. Hinrich will probably not last the season as a Wizard, but will be traded to a contending team in need of a back-up point guard with an expiring contract...so much for Kirk's leadership for the Wizards. John Wall had enough problems coping with the hype of being selected #1 without the added baggage of having to try to assert himself as the leader of a professional basketball team. The Wizards/Saunders did John Wall no favors by placing him in that position. To his credit, John Wall is saying the right things, but, to be honest, they sound ridiculous coming out of the mouth of a twenty year-old rookie. He is a basketball player with speed as his primary weapon. He has yet to demonstrate any of the other attributes of a good NBA basketball player. He is still trying to find his own way. He should not have been expected to be capable of fulfilling the role of the team leader. John is not the leader, Kirk is not the leader, but, more importantly, Saunders is not the leader. Ted L., please get us a real coach/leader who can help to develop a contender.

Posted by: getabigboyoffense | January 2, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm.. the problem is that you blame Flip for the losses but give him no credit for anything positive.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

That's because there is nothing positive about being one of the worst teams in the NBA...

OH, wait we got the #1 pick last year which your boy played a ton of mins while he was hurt...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 2, 2011 12:22 AM | Report abuse

"When Saunders appointed an untested 19 year-old rookie with ZERO NBA minutes and a newly-acquired NBA veteran with ZERO experience with the Wizards organization to be the Wizards team captains, it said more about the coach's lack of understanding of human relationships and how to motivate his team than anything else."

Oh no, we're back with the captaincy again. This ain't high school. These are overpaid professional athletes who barely listen to the coaches. They're too busy texting their agents and griping about their shoe contracts.

It's the fans who get interested in subjects like who gets named captain. Not the players. With 8 coaches for a roster of 15, the players have got all the guidance they could want.

Some of them aren't paying attention.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"That's because there is nothing positive about being one of the worst teams in the NBA...posted by bulletsfan78"

Sure there is. It's just not happening fast enough for you. But that's more about you than the Washington Wizards.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

getabigboyoffense,

I reported your post for abuse...

If you keep writing posts like that the following will happen to Samson151 and kal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 2, 2011 12:33 AM | Report abuse

"If you keep writing posts like that the following will happen to Samson151 and kal
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

You're speaking from personal experience, no doubt...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:41 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I think bulletsfan78 has established an insurmountable lead in that Dumbest Post stakes...

Everything from now on is just showing off.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the young guys played in more games and logged more mpg but you can tell by how bad they have played since that year the way they were embarrassed has really hurt their development?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

I'm not really sure what your beef is here. The 'young' guys they are seeking to develop first are AB, McGee, Young and Wall. AB and Wall average over 35mins a game. McGee and Young over 25 mins. Young's well over 30/g since Gil was traded. Booker averages about as many mins as rookies taken at his part of the draft normally average. Seraphin's mins/g are low, but sort of to be expected given his rawness.

No question Flip tends to overplay his vets, but at the same time, youth is being served....for all that entails.

Posted by: ts35 | January 2, 2011 1:37 AM | Report abuse

"When Saunders appointed an untested 19 year-old rookie with ZERO NBA minutes and a newly-acquired NBA veteran with ZERO experience with the Wizards organization to be the Wizards team captains, it said more about the coach's lack of understanding of human relationships and how to motivate his team than anything else."
Posted by: getabigboyoffense

Who should he have named captain?

Posted by: ts35 | January 2, 2011 1:45 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty obvious coaching is to blame for the past two losses. And the coach responsible is Randy Wittman. He's the one who told Dray those 20ft jumpers are "good shots" and he should keep taking them (6 for 25 from 15ft and out the past 3 games). He runs the big man's portion of the practice, and our big men don't play well, hard or smart. Since coaching is the issue, clearly we need to start here.

Plus, I can tell just from his demeanor on the bench that he is secretly sabotaging the team. Fire Randy Wittman!

Posted by: ts35 | January 2, 2011 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Wall had 15 TOs the past two games. You may want to fire Sam Cassell, too.

Posted by: ts35 | January 2, 2011 2:10 AM | Report abuse

getabigboyoffense,

You are a welcome addition to the board in my book!

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | January 2, 2011 3:59 AM | Report abuse

"getabigboyoffense,
You are a welcome addition to the board in my book!
Posted by: bazookajoe1"

You have a board in your book?

Wonders never cease.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Game Dumb Post results

Dang, I was really, really disappointed in the submissions last night.

Not that the dumb posts were few in quantity or in quality, plenty of both. But they sure as heck weren't about the game, which most of you totally forgot about when making your posts.

In future, fellow posters, remember ya gotta post about the game to win the Game Dumb Post award!

Posted by: EestiLaps | January 2, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I almost forgot we did actually have a Dumb Post that was sorta almost on topic (game, remember posters, the topic is the game!).

So hearty congrats go to Larry, LarryInClintonMD for his almost sorta game-related winning Dumb Post:

"I wonder why every time they show a shot of the coach for NOLA he is sitting on the bench as calm and cool and collect as can be?"
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Way to go Larry, LarryInClintonMD!

Posted by: EestiLaps | January 2, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

You have a board in your book?

Wonders never cease.
Posted by: Samson151

... and your worn out schtick becomes ever more predictable.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | January 2, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

@Samson151,

It all sort of comes together now. You indicate that the NBA is not rah rah and the captaincy is for the fans and don't mean much. Really.

It is any wonder that coaching doesn't mean much more than the players to the success of winning in your book.

Butchasee good fella, coaching/leadership/captaincy are huge determining factors in winning organizations.

I get you now. For real Samson151. Captaincy is for the fans. Oh, really. Who is leadership for? Who is good coaching for?

GetaBigBoyOffense is spot on in his assertion. And it does say a lot for Flip Saunders as a leader to name John Wall and Hinrich as captains.

This naming of those two as captains and leaders of the Team was/is an egregious blunder.

The Wizards should have named Gilbert Arenas and Andre Blatche as captains of the team. But the Wizards don't have the courage to make unpopular decisions that would not play well in public, but would have sent the right message to its players and would have helped this young developing team.

This team does not have any leadership/captaincy to speak of, but according to you Samson, this rah rah stuff don't mean anything in the pros, not even good coaching as well.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 2, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

@bazookajoe1 - Thanks for the welcome.
@bulletsfan78 and LarryInClintonMD - I'm glad that we agree.

I've been reading posts here for quite a while and it appears that there are two distinct camps on this blog: those who criticize almost everything just for the sake of writing something; and those who appear to understand the game of b-ball and are making suggestions that they think would improve the team. I'd bet that each blogger would think that he was in the second camp.

Posted by: getabigboyoffense | January 2, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

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