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Posted at 8:09 AM ET, 01/20/2011

Road frustrations continue to mount

By Washington Post editors
Morning brew

Here are the game story and the postgame wrap-up from last night's 100-87 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks, the 20th straight road defeat for the Wizards.

Dan Steinberg says the Wizards should buy Wizards.com (DC Sports Bog).

Before last night's loss, Lee Friedman said rebounding and defense are the keys to ending the Wizards' road woes (Box Seats).

Meanwhile, Earl Boykins continues to "do the impossible."

Coach Flip Saunders joined the team in Milwaukee after skipping Tuesday's practice to spend time with his ailing mother in suburban Cleveland.

And playing in Milwaukee was a homecoming of sorts for Nick Young, who finally got enough tickets for friends and family to see him play there.

AROUND THE WEB
Mike Prada of Bullets Forever and Kyle Weidie of Truth About It recap the game.

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com and Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports share their thoughts on Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov announcing that the team has ended negotiations to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

By Washington Post editors  | January 20, 2011; 8:09 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  
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Comments

funny to see boykins cookin up kirk hinrich. sad to see john wall out of the 4th quarter til the game was out kinda out of reach. sad to see how horrible slips rotations are. sad to see him still coaching the wizards.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 20, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

In the second half the Wiz couldn't throw the ball in the ocean if they were standing in the bottom of it! Nick tried to shoot his way out of it and almost did. Rashard Lewis was terribly off.

Also wasn't a good game or sign of the way things go with Flip. I haven't (and still not ) on the "Fire Flip Parade" but prolonged periods of no offense made Flip look incapable of drawing something up. No time out was called with a subsequent inbound play to get a good look etc...

The entire second half was free lance offense with no answer.

No one guarded Keyon Dooling on the perimeter. I mean force the guy to put it on the floor and work for the buckets at least!

Posted by: gmac78 | January 20, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"sad to see how horrible slips rotations are. sad to see him still coaching the wizards."

It's coaching, it really is. I don't see how Ted/EG can't think that it isn't. Flip doesn't know how to "draw something up," again his coaching at the end is waving his arm for Wall to get past the half court line and that's it.

Your coach has to get the troops together and say "Hey, this is what I want you to do" and Flip absolutely does not do that. He has to be able to tell Lewis and Blatche to stop taking those crappy 3's and start guarding the rim and he doesn't. He has to get the ball into Wall's hands at the end of games and doesn't do that either. Ole "Eeyore" drives me crazy.

There's enough talent on this team to have at least one road win you'd think but they don't. They are not as bad as thier record shows.

Coaching Ted, it's coaching.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 20, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Flip fan, but the blame for the loss last night lies entirely with the players. They didn't pass the ball in the 2nd half. Each player wanted to be the guy to snap the streak. They've got to move the ball and trust that eventually a better shot will become available. Secondly, Rashard's shooting really cost them last night, and maybe Flip rode him too long. Lastly, they just didn't show enough defensive intensityj to win the game. They must have thought that they would win if they could control Bogut. Well, they did that but they let the Buck's perimeter players go off.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 20, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

So the Nets officially gave up on Melo. Probably a good idea.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"There's enough talent on this team to have at least one road win you'd think but they don't. They are not as bad as thier record shows.Coaching Ted, it's coaching.
Posted by: rmcazz"

Number of problems with the above argument, all of which have been cited here before. The Wiz are as bad as their record shows. Doesn't really matter in the end whether they're still winless on the road. Suppose they win their next road contest -- are they a better team? No. The only record that really matters is 12-28. At the moment, the Wiz are a bottom five team. How do I know? I can count.

Can that be fixed that with a coaching change? We might win a few more games based on momentum -- or we might lose a few more based on making more changes midstream. In the end, what's at stake? A possible late playoff run? A possible top five draft choice?

Here's a revolutionary concept: at the moment, the Wiz are one of the five worst teams in the NBA. That's what Ted seeks to fix. And the name on the head coach's door is not the most important part of that.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Or try looking at it this way: the team that beat Utah is the same team that lost to Milwaukee. With the same coaches. They didn't suddenly become a lot worse over the course of a few days.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The coaching on this team is just horrible. Now 0-20 on the road - do the math everyone, you win just six of those and you are 18-22 and in the thick of things. Ted, you are paying a guy to do his job part time. When are you going to end this madness? This is atrocious. And Michael Lee, how about some cutting edge reporting on the Wiz instead of relisting what everyone else is doing? C'mon...

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 20, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Teams usually take on the personality of the coach. The wizards should look to replace Flip but after the season. In all fairness to Flip, he was brought here to win right away with Gil, Jamison, and Butler. Didn't work out that way and now he's rebuilding. He's not a bad coach. He is better off coaching a veteran team. You don't want Flip to be the guy grooming a young team. Changing coaches won't necessarily make the Wizards winners. You need a team that is hungry and talented. This team has athleticism and speed but lacks pure talent and bball smarts as a group.

Posted by: dc202jp | January 20, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

The bottom line is you have to have closers on the road, cold blooded killa's who will stab/shoot the opponent numerous times if need be,sadly the Wizards don't have anybody like that or you must have a coach who can pull the right strings as the game winds down that gives his players an oppourtunity to win and i don't think Flip is that guy and until Ted Leonsis has a clue this scenario will be repeated time and time again.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 20, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Think the Bucks will trade Earl for Kirk straight up?

Posted by: divi3 | January 20, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

So the Nets officially gave up on Melo. Probably a good idea.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 9:26 AM

It is probably a good idea for the Nets, maybe, and Melo, maybe, but it is going to be definitely bad for Denver if they don't trade or find a deal for Melo before the trade deadline.

Melo is showing his patience and sources says he really wants to play in the Garden, not the Bronx.

New Jersey on the other hand still keeps all their options open.

But Denver could lose Melo without getting anything in return. By Denver trying to get all the best deal possible, it might have screwed themselves in the end.

We will see as this saga plays out.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 20, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Silver lining, at least Nick had a nice game and even heated up in the 4th. So much for blaming the road woes on him.

Posted by: divi3 | January 20, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Or try looking at it this way: the team that beat Utah is the same team that lost to Milwaukee. With the same coaches. They didn't suddenly become a lot worse over the course of a few days.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 9:46 AM

Maybe they did not become a lot worse over the course of a few days....but they certainly played like it.

You know when you see on results that shows huge variances from one end of the scale to another that isn't a good thing.

You want to kind of settle on a good equilibrium. Once you do that then you can get better.

This teams play swings so wildly from home to the road. You must fix that now. You can't keep waiting. Flip has to find an answer for that now. If he can't how can you have faith in him going forward. He isn't accomplishing anything and he isn't displaying the type of accountability that I would want to see in a Coach.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 20, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

He hasn't won the last two years bc - newsflash - we are now rebuilding the team! Pretty simple huh? Nobody on that list is winning with this roster. Zero! Another pathetic non-answer.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Newsflash the rebuilding started Feb 13 2010...Flip's record with a veteran team was 17-33?

I guess that doesn't count to some of you.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

did Flip call a time out and tell his players they need to pass the ball more?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

yes, he called several timeouts as the Bucks were getting back into it and as the Bucks were stretching their lead in the 3rd / 4th.

Posted by: ts35 | January 19, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Now it's...

Not at all, but as usual, doesn't really tell the story (TV timeouts, Milwaukee timeouts).

They were down by 7 to start the 4th and that basically remained unchanged until the Bucks made a two quick hoops to go up by 11.....at which point Flip called a timeout.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:37 AM | Report abuse

So the correct answer would have been NO Flip didn't call any timeouts during that stretch.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"Michael Beasley added 21 points for the Wolves, who fell to 2-21 on the road while losing their third in a row. They never got closer than 11 points in the fourth quarter, when Beasley picked up two technical fouls.

"We're not necessarily the Wizards, but we're definitely not the cream of the crop when it comes to winning on the road," Love said."

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 20, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

@dargregmag,

What you have described in player mentality for the 4thQ' is spot on. Certain types of players live for the 4thQ' and if you don't have that obvious money player for the money quarter, then coaching becomes huge as you've indicated.

Nick Young, Andre Blatche, and John Wall have no fear and can be money players. It's the system here that doesn't coach money play.

Flip thinks you must have veterans in the money quarter and that is enough. That is why he puts Hinrich in, but Hinrich isn't a money player and I am beginning to believe that Flip doesn't understand that, nor does Flip understand the Money Quarter either.

The Money Quarter is all about making plays. You got to have your best playmakers rockin' and rollin' and takin' names' baby'.

As you are aware, you got to go for jugular. You can't be scurred like the way Flip always looks on the sideline. Money time is when you put on your best suit on and your killer smile.

The NBA ought to have a rule...If you look all scurred, sweaty, and clueless as a coach, you can't stand on the sideline during the Money Quarter. You got to look good and like you know a thing or too and have on your best smile. If you can't do the latter you got to sit yo' arse' down.

Hell, in the Money Quarter, everytime I would look over at the sidelines as a Wizard Player, I would be thinking did Flip just see a ghost or something. Ouch, that man exude's negative karma from the sidecourt.

Ain't nothing money bout' him.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 20, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

As far as the Melo deal goes . . . Jon Barry seems to believe (pretty strongly) that it'll still happen and that Prokhorov's public posturing is part of a negotiation technique. Don't know that I'd go so far as to say i agree, but I can definitely see merit in that view. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's announced as a done deal in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 20, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Keep Nope Alive!

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 20, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

No, Flip never called a timeout. He just paced back and forth with a glazed look on his face.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

again his coaching at the end is waving his arm for Wall to get past the half court line and that's it.
- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 20, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't really matter in the end whether they're still winless on the road...Can that be fixed that with a coaching change?

We might win a few more games based on momentum -- or we might lose a few more based on making more changes midstream. In the end, what's at stake?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

In the end, what's at stake?

What's at stake is the bad influence he has on the young guys...he treats them like crap in the media while Kirk and Lewis walk on water...don't you think that has any lasting effect?

If you don't try volunteering at a child crisis center who's parents told them most of their life they were worthless it has a lasting effect...

Are the players on the Wizards juveniles?

Of course not but they are still young men who are impressionable and since most of them lack a sufficient amount of time playing in college where they would have (under the right coach) got the positive reinforcement to handle the pressure of being an NBA player in today's world.

Ted since you want to model the Wizards after OKC look at the difference between the way that team played under P.J. Carlesimo versus Scott Brooks they were smart enough to fire PJ after a 1-12 start in 2008.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"We're not necessarily the Wizards, but we're definitely not the cream of the crop when it comes to winning on the road," Love said."

Ouch!

Posted by: divi3 | January 20, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Keep Nope Alive!

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 20, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

It will be as long as Flip is here

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Is Sam Cassell ready to be an NBA coach yet?

Posted by: ryjufox3 | January 20, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I say let them all go - Cassell is not ready. This team is not responding to Flip and Flip looks clueless by mid-4th quarter - his new solution is to just sit down and watch the inevitable collapse.

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 20, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Last year the Bulls were 18-20 at this time and that organization after 2 years of losing in the first round was smart enough to move forward and hire Tom Thibodeau.

Yes I understand they made some player changes (biigest getting rid of Kirk)but they are still rebuilding...

Rose 2yr player
Deng 6yr player
Brewer 4yr player
Noah 4yr player
Boozer 8yr player

and Boozer has only played in 25 games while
Noah has only played in 24 games

Yes they have Bogans and Thomas but if you look at the mpg once healthy they will be role players

coaching matters...quit using the "rebuilding" word as an excuse for your guy Flip "Nope" Saunders

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Jeff Ruland...isn't he coaching UDC?

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 20, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

That's right bulletsfan78 - stop making excuses for Flip. There are times when the coaching hire simply dosn't work for any number of reasons - and this is a one of those situations. What's the point of holding onto Flip for the rest of the season?

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 20, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Note to ryjufox3; As far as Sam Casell is concerned i would say HELL TO THE NO(nothing personal) might as well give Mark Jackson a shot, my choice would be Mike Woodson ex Hawks coach he's defensive minded and would bring some toughness to this bunch and if he came on board Andray would either give a consistent effort night in night out or he would be outta here.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 20, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

What's the point of holding onto Flip for the rest of the season?

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 20, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

None,

I would make Wittman the interim
coach and then at the end of the season hire a guy like Mike Budenholzer from the Spurs organization...since Ted is letting me make the decisions fire Ernie while you are it since he will never fire his guy like he did Eddie.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78; Think you're pretty much nailing it in terms of Flip's coaching style or lack of it, good analysis.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 20, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Should the Wizards make a play for Carmelo?

Other than Wall, there's no one on the team that's untouchable and they have things the Nuggets want like expiring contracts, good 1st round picks and good but not superstar players.

I have no idea if Melo would agree to signing long-term with the Wizards but being from Bal'mer (hon!) and having a chance to play along a future superstar PG might interest him.

Posted by: mercedeskk | January 20, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

i wonder if ted actually knows anything about bball...i see hes at the home games sitting courtside. but he probly dosent realize that flip is a horrible coach for this team. he probly keeps getting fed that "oh its a rebuilding year" crap.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 20, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I actually enjoyed the first quarter with seraphin on the floor. He picked up 2 fouls but he cleared space for nick and john, put a body on the man and it appeared to me everybody played better just knowing he was protecting the paint.

I am at a point now where I will not watch the game live and only stop the fast forward when seraphin and or booker are on the floor so obviously I have not watched a lot lately.

The only other time I pause is when they have a shot of the "coach"...really interesting to watch the body language of the players as they walk by or during a timeout. It pretty clear from what I see he's not connecting or they have tuned out.

In my last email from ted, he wrote "no coaching change this year. Sorry."...indeed.

go bullets!

Posted by: spoooooooon | January 20, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of holding onto Flip for the rest of the season?
Posted by: WestHamUnited

Only the owner of the team himself would be able really to answer that question, but I would guess money would comprise part of the answer. (Saunders has a sizable contract and Leonsis doesn't waste money.)

In addition, Ted doesn't seem to like change for the sake of change--and I suspect he would view the period of time this team has been together (since the Arenas-Lewis trade) as much too short to make any judgment as to who can coach, or for that matter, who can play.

Posted by: nmik | January 20, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

coaching matters...

Look at the Jets and the way they beat the Pats at home...Rex Ryan had those guys fired up (with a 2nd yr QB) and said it's about me and Bill Belichick I have to outcoach him if we are going to win...

dargregmag,

I agree Flip's coaching style is not the best for this team...

Just because I criticize Flip that doesn't mean I don't think he was never a good coach...

even Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with the right players...grasp reality people (Flip apologist) he couldn't win with the Pistons when he had the right players and the Wizards surely don't have the right players for a coach who isn't either a motivator or a coach who isn't able to adjust his game plan.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

So the correct answer would have been NO Flip didn't call any timeouts during that stretch.
Posted by: bulletsfan78

Sure in a myopic, just-looking-at-the-box score-sense, yes that's correct.

Of course, there was a timeout called (not sure if it was Milwaukee or TV) at 2:47 to go in the 3rd with the score 64-69.

At 2:03 the Bucks extended their lead to 7, but then shortly thereafter, the Wiz defended well enough to get a shot-clock violation on the Bucks at :58 and then a turnover at :33, so they were actually playing decent D, just not hitting shots at the other end. For the most part they were good shots, they were just missing. Not sure a timeout helps that. Take a :20 and say "Um, good shots, but stop missing." ?

Then there was a quarter break.

In the 4th for the majority of the time you're talking about between the start of the quarter and the 8:33 mark when Flip called his TO, the score was 70-77. The Wiz were getting stops and getting decent shots, but not hitting them. There are definitely things Flip could have done to get them jump-started, like maybe go to Nick in the post earlier, but again, I don't really see that as a timeout issue. As soon as the Bucks started to extend the lead, he called a TO. Feel free to note that it really made no difference. At which point I'm sure you'll say that it's further evidence that Flip is a crappy coach. Fine. But if he's a crappy coach, what difference would him calling a timeout make in the first place?

But keep banging away at that drum!

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's a revolutionary concept: at the moment, the Wiz are one of the five worst teams in the NBA. That's what Ted seeks to fix. And the name on the head coach's door is not the most important part of that.

Posted by: Samson151

Obviously upgrading talent is priority #1, but since the head coach and the style of the head coach plays in a bit to the types of players you acquire and how they develop, I think it is pretty relevant.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

he couldn't win with the Pistons when he had the right players
Posted by: bulletsfan78

Under this same standard, Jerry Sloan should be fired immediately!

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

he couldn't win with the Pistons when he had the right players
Posted by: bulletsfan78

Under this same standard, Jerry Sloan should be fired immediately!

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Hell no. Sloan never had a legitmate wing player. He had a short two guard who really should've been a pg. Byron Russell was Ron Artest(now) at best. Maybe a little better than Calbert Cheaney lol.

Posted by: dc202jp | January 20, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hell no. Sloan never had a legitmate wing player. He had a short two guard who really should've been a pg. Byron Russell was Ron Artest(now) at best. Maybe a little better than Calbert Cheaney lol.

Posted by: dc202jp

No players on the Flip's Pistons teams were as good as Stockton or Malone.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hell no. Sloan never had a legitmate wing player. He had a short two guard who really should've been a pg. Byron Russell was Ron Artest(now) at best. Maybe a little better than Calbert Cheaney lol.

Posted by: dc202jp

No players on the Flip's Pistons teams were as good as Stockton or Malone.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse


Two different eras. The game has changed too much from the way its played and called. Flip couldn't get what Larry Brown got out of that Pistons team. That said,the Pistons had a better team than the Jazz did. Two guys never have won a title. Its always been a team effort. The Jazz have always been cheap when it comes to acquiring players. That's why Wes Matthews wasn't resigned because they don't want to spend the money. To compare Flip to Sloan who has coached very well for so long is stupid anyway. Sloan will go into the Hall of Fame. Flip won't sniff it.

Posted by: dc202jp | January 20, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously upgrading talent is priority #1, but since the head coach and the style of the head coach plays in a bit to the types of players you acquire and how they develop, I think it is pretty relevant.Posted by: ts35"

Not sure if you're objecting to my comment or not -- it's much easier to replace the head coach than it is the core of the team. You're supposed to hire a coach who can work with that core. That's what Grunfeld thought he'd done in hiring Flip to work with the OG Wiz (can't think of a better term). Then when that balloon collapsed, he left Flip in place in hopes he could work with the remainder. I think Flip's done an OK job, but at some point he gets replaced anyway, I expect. Just the way the NBA works, most of the time.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Sloan will go into the Hall of Fame. Flip won't sniff it.Posted by: dc202jp"

I guess he will. He's got a career regular season win percentage of .604, playoffs .485. That's for 25 seasons, 3 with Chicago. Flip is at .594 regular (including last season in Washington) and .480 playoffs. That's over 14 seasons with 3 teams. His Wizards tenure definitely hurt his win percentage.

Y'know, the numbers just aren't that different. Flip's big mistake in terms of a HoF candidacy was coming to work in DC.

Neither won a title, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

""Sloan will go into the Hall of Fame. Flip won't sniff it.Posted by: dc202jp"

Should have added although I doubt Flip gets into the HoF, that 59.4% win record, 48% in the playoffs, are definitely sniffable.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Sadly people forget how bad the team was BEFORE Flip arrived...Caron, Haywood and Jamison weren't exactly setting the league on fire and they weren't a playoff team...

I agree Flip may not be the coach for this team but what about the players??? Where does pride come to play??? You get into the 4th period of 20 games, ahead some and some in close contention, yet you find a way to fold down the stretch...You as a player have to find a way to win...to make the same mistakes 20 times tells me either you have no heart or are too dumb!!!! Take your pick...personally I take no heart....

Posted by: pentagon40 | January 20, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

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