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Posted at 12:49 AM ET, 01/22/2011

Wizards have another meltdown in loss to Suns

By Michael Lee

This is how you do it, young fella. (AP Photo/Nick Wass)


The Wizards have now played 41 games, with 41 more to go, and their 109-91 loss to the Phoenix Suns may have been one of the more deflating of the season. Coach Flip Saunders has been trying to sell the team on the playoffs, but that gets more and more unrealistic, even in the bottom of the wretched Eastern Conference -- and especially when the Wizards already have 29 losses.

John Wall was pointed in his criticism of the team after it got routed at home by a streaking though not imposing Suns team, when he said, "We didn't have no heart. We didn't have no fight."

Kirk Hinrich's inability to put on his shooting shirt before heading to the locker room with a sprained right elbow in the fourth quarter was one of the more troubling images for the Wizards during their meltdown at Verizon Center. In the locker room afterward, Al Thornton sat in front of his stall several minutes after the game, shirtless and still wearing his game shorts, staring angrily toward the ground. He said he was frustrated over his bad game, but he was one of many who struggled on Friday night, when the Wizards decided to have the sort of performance they usually reserve for the road.

They came out pumped up, hitting shots, forcing turnovers and getting out on the break. But they exhausted all of their energy, it seemed, as they built an 11-point lead in the first eight minutes of the game. Wall had nine assists by that point, but only recorded five assists the final 40 minutes. That was partly because his teammates weren't hitting shots, but also because the offense became stagnant and the defense was nonexistent.

The Wizards helped the Suns stay in the game by fouling them in the second quarter, giving away 10 points on the free throw line and disrupting their flow offensively. Then, in the third period, Steve Nash went to work, eyes blowing up the size of saucers when he saw the Wizards playing a zone. He picked them apart and Channing Frye found a rhythm, shooting wide-open three-pointers as if he was working out alone in the gym.

Once the outside opened up, the inside got flimsy, leaving Vince Carter the opportunity to drive along the baseline and have a reverse dunk, with JaVale McGee watching. Saunders immediately sat McGee after that play, which gave the Suns a 68-61 lead, and never put him back in the game.

"We went small and he wasn't playing with a whole lot of energy, he had one play, basically," Saunders said of McGee, who had a nice block on Robin Lopez in the first quarter and didn't do much else. Saunders also criticized McGee for his defense of the pick-and-roll, the Suns' staple play. "He was playing it so soft, he was putting pressure on our guards."


How could I be this open -- again? (AP Photo/Nick Wass)

I was still a bit baffled by Saunders's substitution pattern in the third quarter, when he played Rashard Lewis and Wall the entire period, without once calling on Thornton or Cartier Martin, when it was apparent that the team needed an offensive boost. It was the second game in a row that the Wizards came out flat after halftime, but the rotation got tighter. Milwaukee and the Suns both took advantage.

"Second half, we didn't play well. I thought we just stood around and watched the one guy that had the ball," Lewis said, without having to mention Nash.

Nash had 17 points and 14 assists and even talked some trash to Wizards assistant coach Sam Cassell after knocking down a jumper near the Wizards' bench that gave the Suns a 103-84 lead in the fourth quarter. Funny part was, after he scored, Wall quickly blew right by him and converted a three-point play. But there were few too many bursts like that for the Wizards in the second half.

"When they made their run and built the lead, we made some mistakes, put our heads down and stopped playing," Lewis said. "That's when you've got to keep playing. A team like Phoenix will let you back in the game. If you shoot the ball well and play defense, because they are an offensive team and they don't play very good D. we've got to learn to keep playing through mistakes."

Lewis had a reunion with some of his former Orlando Magic teammates in Carter, Marcin Gortat and Mickael Pietrus, and guarded Carter on several occasions. "Just felt odd, because we had a close relationship back in Orlando. Just felt different playing against those guys," Lewis said.

It probably felt worse that his team only came to play for about eight minutes before folding. "We had the worst, I don't know what it is, we up 11, we have a team down on their knees and let them back up," Andray Blatche said. "If we stay aggressive and knock them down when they're down, we'd win more games. But we always give teams more chances."

Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls made the playoffs with just 30 wins in 1986. The Wizards would have to go 18-23 in the second half of the season, and that seems like an especially tough challenge, with the team losing its veteran players to injuries.

Hinrich may be out for some time with his elbow problem, which places more strain on Wall since the Wizards don't have a backup point guard and Josh Howard, who had been practicing at the position, will be out for at least two more weeks. Lewis is still battling tendinitis in his right knee and was unsure how he would handle playing five sets of back-to-back games. When asked about his availability against Boston, Lewis said: "I got out the cold tub, so my body feels a little numb. I'll know how it feels in next two hours or in the morning how it feels."

The Wizards' win over Utah is looking less impressive by the day, with the Jazz also losing its two games to New Jersey and Boston, which thumped it by 24 points on Friday. The Celtics will come to town on Saturday and the road ahead won't get any easier for the Wizards. Eight of their next nine games are against teams that have winning records, with only four of them at home.

"It's a tougher team coming in tomorrow. One of the best teams in the NBA, and we've got to come to play," Lewis said.

The question, though, is how long will the Wizards play?

By Michael Lee  | January 22, 2011; 12:49 AM ET
 
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Saunders also criticized McGee for his defense of the pick-and-roll, the Suns' staple play. "He was playing it so soft, he was putting pressure on our guards."

when the other team guards blow by Wall and Kirk does Saunders ever criticize them for putting pressure on the center?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Steve Nash went to work, eyes blowing up the size of saucers when he saw the Wizards playing a zone.

playing a zone and a 3 guard offense is as bad as the Princeton offense in the pros.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 2:19 AM | Report abuse

We fans pay way too much attention to individual play in what is intended to be a team game. Then we wonder how our team can possess all these great individual talents and yet somehow manage to lose so many games.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 21, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Who's we...you?

I don't think there are that many people on here that either believe the Wizards have great individual talents and/or wonder how they manage to lose so many games.

Based on Mike's poll...

Do you think Flip Saunders is the right coach for this team?

Yes. Young players are improving, team is competitive. 35%

No. Don't like his rotations. Doesn't play the rookies. 64%

64% know why they lose so many games

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 2:21 AM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/videoembed?PID=pYd42ttFZHAnUU6FFrcKjksVvtrRl_48

Flip said he put Booker on Frye and Frye shot right over him...duh...that's why you don't draft a 6'7" PF

Flip has the worst body language and he has the nerve to talk about the players hanging their heads?

Instead of staying with the sysytem...

Can someone explain what Flip's offensive is?

That's the difference between a veteran player and a young player you tell them to do one thing and they understand it because they've been through it...

Can someone who watched the game tell me if Flip ever had Lewis guard Frye he's 6'10" and a veteran player?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 2:22 AM | Report abuse

TLG = Ted Lose Grunfeld!

Posted by: member8 | January 22, 2011 7:45 AM | Report abuse

When you listen to Flip, BF78, you must draw the conclusion that he fits into his own self-fulfilling prophecy about what is needed to win in the NBA.

Flip always talks about veteran players, experience, and being able to follow a system comes from being around a while so that you understand whats been asked of you.

Nothing in what he says is anything good or positive about a young Team. Flip does not believe his Team can win. From his comments, he just about expects this Team to be a failure.

Flip believes Teams will win when they have veteran players and experience in years in order to be successful.

He has no clue how to make this young Team a competitive winning Team. He only sees what a veteran proven Team can and is expected to do.

He doesn't see how to shape and mold a young Team to be the best they can be. Surely, no one really expected this Team to be a playoff Team.

However, in order to be emblematic of winning organization like the one in OK that you've said you would like to emulate, you have to see evidence of good coaching on the floor, inspired play, good effort, player development, hustle, heart, desire, and leadership.

Flip does not have a clue how to get this young Team to portray those type of things to an acceptable successful degree.

He doesn't because he wants to see them play like a veteran experienced Team that they are not.

The Flip protagonist can say all they want, but he isn't the right coach for a young Team. Flip wants veterans that can understand what they are being told to do. Young inexperienced players don't understand what they are being told according to him. They can't run the system.

Ted should pay this guy an extra million to just leave. It would be a million well spent. He is just waisting our time. You build a winning attitude and Team now, not when they all become veterans.

Flip is clueless. He is definite proof of his own self-fullfilling prohecy.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Steve Nash shredded Les BouleS, and Goran Dragic was so good. That's why I said last season that we should have traded for Dragic.

Everyone on the Suns team know their role and come prepared. For Les BouleS, it's just a mish mosh of this and that with players trying to get on the highlight reel....what else do you expect?

Instead of Flop trying to sell the team on the playoffs, he should be selling the team on his own job security. Oh wait...maybe that's it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 22, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

When you have so many young guys together, its on the coach to help them develop.

Flip isn't doing that at all.

I'm not saying go get a big name coach. I'm saying let Flip go now and roll the rest of the season with an assistant. It really can't be any worse.

Posted by: Eckertae | January 22, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

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"Surely, no one really expected this Team to be a playoff Team." LarryInClintonMD Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

I think a number of people here did, at least at the beginning. It's a fan site. Not a place for those who allow themselves to be swayed by mere evidence.

Winston Churchill: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject".

A lot of it is based on fan worship of certain players. You see this guy perform his signature 720 degree whirlybird slammerooney and think, 'he's unstoppable!'. Forgetting the occasions when he dribbled off his foot.

When the team fails to perform to the fan's expectations, the easiest thing is to look around for somebody to blame. The coach or GM are the usual targets. After all, they're in charge, right? Sometimes there's merit to it, but that's not a requirement. With truly flawed teams, it's more like blaming Obama for not capping the Gulf oil spill more quickly. Hard to rush the process.

The whole point of the exercise is for the disgruntled fan to feel that he was 'right'. Which in this case means somebody else has to be wrong.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

BTW, here's a prophecy for ya: the usual suspects will insist I've got it all 'wrong! wrong! wrong!"

And am in the pay of Osama Bin Laden or Ernie Grunfeld, whichever is worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I am done ... Filp coaching attitude and philosphy is not working with the youngs ,YOU TECH Filp not taking players out off the game (please be gone)

Posted by: suliman215 | January 22, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

This Team has played the Suns before. Every team in the League knows how the Suns plays and Nash as well.

What did the Suns do so differently last night that they haven't done before?

So our players according to Flip asked off the floor, out of the fray because, THEY GOT TIRED!!!

Do you think the smallest amount of perparation for the Suns would have told the Wizard players that you can't get tired in the 1stQ against the Suns???

If you get tired against the Suns in the first quarter, you are done, stick a fork in your butt. Doesn't matter what Flip says about anythingelse. He says his players got tired in the first.

Preparation or just plain dumb.

And more importantly, if it was just that they needed a blow, then why is Flip pointing that out???

Huh! Whatisit? Samson?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Flip indicated that his Team, his Team, his players, his players, were a bit surprised by the pace and the way the Phoenix Suns play.

They were not prepared for it.

Is that proof enough to indicate that Flip might not really know what he is doing?

Flips got young thorougbreds on this squad and they were surprised by the speed of Phoenix.

Wow! Wow! Wow!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

The whole point of the exercise is for the disgruntled fan to feel that he was 'right'. Which in this case means somebody else has to be wrong.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:25 AM

I guess with any Team that doesn't win games, there are a whole slew of wrongs and rights that the fanatic (Fan) can point too.

The subject is our Team, the Wizards so that doesn't change and the wrongs and rights doesn't make them any less wrong or right.

It is funny though how some criticize the process itself and are a part of it themselves, but think they are somehow above it all.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

BTW, here's a prophecy for ya: the usual suspects will insist I've got it all 'wrong! wrong! wrong!"

And am in the pay of Osama Bin Laden or Ernie Grunfeld, whichever is worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:28 AM

No the usual suspects don't think you've got it all wrong I suppose.

You just got one of the biggest things wrong. Somehow another with all of the good reasoning you've displayed on this board, just like many others, it's so befuddling how you place so little value on the influence and current predicament of this Team on Coaching and Organization.

Somehow, you seem to be saying mostly that the current predicament of this Team is mostly on the head of the players.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 22, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

When the players at this level admit they gave up, had no heart, who's to blame?

What can a coach do at this level? The only recourse is to take away minutes but Saunders has no minutes on the bench to use.

Okay, fine, get a new coach. How that's going to instill "heart" on this level is a mystery to me.

Players either have professional pride or they don't. No coach can create it for them. Not at this level. Not with grown men.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 22, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"The subject is our Team, the Wizards so that doesn't change and the wrongs and rights doesn't make them any less wrong or right. It is funny though how some criticize the process itself and are a part of it themselves, but think they are somehow above it all.LarryInClintonMD."

This IMO is what's meant by 'can't change his mind and can't change the subject.' Although Churchill was talking about other sorts of fanaticism.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

When the team fails to perform to the fan's expectations, the easiest thing is to look around for somebody to blame. The coach or GM are the usual targets. After all, they're in charge, right? Sometimes there's merit to it, but that's not a requirement. With truly flawed teams, it's more like blaming Obama for not capping the Gulf oil spill more quickly. Hard to rush the process.

The whole point of the exercise is for the disgruntled fan to feel that he was 'right'. Which in this case means somebody else has to be wrong.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

If the GM has been on the job for 7 years and the team is still losing then yes he should be the person to blame. Isn't he the person who picked the players who aren't getting it done? And didn't he hand pick the coach?

Not saying any coach could get this team to a championshiip but if you remember the examples that I gave of the Bulls and OKC you can clearly see a coaching change made both teams better.

If someone's opinions about the basketball team turn out to be right in the long run then yes, the person with the oppisite veiw would be wrong.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"You just got one of the biggest things wrong. Somehow another with all of the good reasoning you've displayed on this board, just like many others, it's so befuddling how you place so little value on the influence and current predicament of this Team on Coaching and Organization.
Somehow, you seem to be saying mostly that the current predicament of this Team is mostly on the head of the players. LarryInClintonMD."

This, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"If someone's opinions about the basketball team turn out to be right in the long run then yes, the person with the oppisite veiw would be wrong.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

And this, too, of course, although bf78 is a more complicated case. He may have started out as a fan of the Bullets, but now I think he's more a fan of trolling WI.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm really not offering a criticism of fan psychology, just an observation. And a theory about why, despite the endless discussion, hardly anybody ever seems to change his mind.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Players either have professional pride or they don't. No coach can create it for them. Not at this level. Not with grown men.

Getting guys to play hard consistently is probably the single biggest determinant of whether a coach succeeds or fails. I don't think Flip can make players execute better, though over time his teachings should take hold...but anytime a Coach cant get his guys to show effort it's a troubling sign.

What happens at halftime? If the players have tuned Flip out, his effectiveness as a coach is over. May or may not be his fault, but it doesnt really matter. If players don't listen to him, he can't do his job.

Even Kirk has displayed terrible body language over the past few games...this team looks shot and it's not because the players are young. Flip wont be the coach next season if things don't improve.

Posted by: divi3 | January 22, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

They sign guard Mustafa Shakur

Posted by: suliman215 | January 22, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Mustafa Shakur, a 6-foot-3 point guard, is called up from the NBA D-League's Rio Grande Valley Vipers to the Washington Wizards for a 10-day contract, according to a source close to the situation.

Shakur, in an interview with FanHouse on Friday night, said that he expected to be available to play in Washington's game Saturday night at home against the Boston Celtics.

"Hopefully, if everything goes right with my flights, I'll get there and get situated and then be ready to play against the Celtics," Shakur told FanHouse.

Shakur (shown right with the Tulsa 66ers) learned of the call-up Friday night after scoring 18 points on 6-of-14 shooting for the Vipers in Bismarck, N.D., against the Dakota Wizards after his Vipers overcame a first half deficit to pick up a 102-100 victory, their ninth in a row.

"I think when you come to the D-League, you have to just focus on what you're doing, try to be professional and play to your strengths while helping your team," Shakur said. "You can't really think about the call-up aspect of it because if you think about that, then it's hard to focus on playing and performing every night."

Shakur, a fourth-year pro out of Arizona, is averaging 18.4 points, 6.0 assists, 4.9 rebounds and 2.0 steals this month while making 51 percent of his field goal attempts. In his 69 game D-League career, the consistent point guard is averaging 18.4 points, 6.4 assists, 4.6 rebounds and 2.1 steals. His play last season in the D-League earned him an end of season call-up to the Oklahoma City Thunder as well as a training camp invite with the New Orleans Hornets this past preseason.

The Wizards have currently been playing with just two point guards, rookie John Wall and veteran Kirk Hinrich, since releasing Lester Hudson earlier this month.

"They were actually interested in me since last year but I ended up signing with Oklahoma City," Shakur remembered. "They've shown a lot of interest in me since then."

Knowing Washington might have a need for a third point guard, Wizards Vice President of Basketball Administration Tommy Sheppard scouted last week's D-League Showcase where Shakur earned Second Team All-Showcase honors.

"They're bringing me in because they like me, I guess. We haven't really talked about what I'll focus on yet, but I'm excited to go," Shakur said. "As soon as I get there I'm going right to the gym so we'll probably go over plays and get right to it."

Shakur is the third D-League call-up of the season, joining Larry Owens (San Antonio Spurs) and Zabian Dowdell (Phoenix Suns) in the NBA.
Read More: Wizards NBA D-League Rio Grande

Posted by: suliman215 | January 22, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Flip wont be the coach next season if things don't improve.Posted by: divi3"

The body language part is pure subjectivity, of course. Still, I imagine things won't improve much in the second half, and I would be mildly surprised if Flip coached it next season.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Example...

The year Flip was hired and had Gil, MM, CB, AJ, and Fab all vets and a bench that had AB, JM, NY and Foye.

If a preson declared that the Wizards were going to make the playoffs...

But...

Another person said no way they make the playoffs because Gil isn't a point guard, AJ doesn't play "D", CB and MM and tweeners and Fab is over the hill...

At the begining of the season all the statements were each other opinions.

After Ernie decided to blow up the team and trade the vets away then one person opinion of the team was right and the other person's opinion was wrong...

There is no reason for the person who thought Ernie was on the right track to feel embarrassed because he turned out to be wrong...but to deny the other person even said what he did or worse try to come up with excuses about why his opinion was wrong is absurd...just admit it and say I was worng why is that so hard?

I can see why Ernie doesn't want to admit it but a fan who didn't make the personal moves it should be easy.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 22, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

and btw, what happened in large part last night is Flip switched to a zone in the 3rd at which time the Suns destroyed us from 3pt land.

Then Flip goes into his postgame and talks about how Javale is terrible.

Rinse, repeat.

Posted by: divi3 | January 22, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm really not offering a criticism of fan psychology, just an observation. And a theory about why, despite the endless discussion, hardly anybody ever seems to change his mind.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

have you identified the team's godawful record over the past 2 and a half seasons as a factor? I would think arguments have changed where players,coaches, and winning %s have changed. Maybe people's philosophies haven't though. people who always thought players jumping from HS to the pros prolly still don't like the guys that made that jump. Just as people who value the backscreen and taking charges over dunks and blocks still complain about players whose value system is the exact opposite.

Theconstant is that this organization has not provided it's fan base with a different set of factors to respond to over the past coupla years. i don't remember things being this morbid when we were more competitive. But since EJ's ouster we've been rudderless. It seems like we took a giant leap backwards (is that possible) and went back to the Unseld days. Still finding mediocre players in FA, drafting poorly and still lacking in player development. The game hasn't changed, just the players.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 22, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"Rinse, repeat.Posted by: divi3"

LOL a phrase which could apply to almost everything at WI... maybe we're trapped in an endless wash cycle, and not the 'smart' setting, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Shakur, a fourth-year pro out of Arizona, is averaging 18.4 points, 6.0 assists, 4.9 rebounds and 2.0 steals this month while making 51 percent of his field goal attempts

If Shakur can score some, then Booker should get more opportunity to play. Fingers crossed.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 22, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Getting guys to play hard consistently is probably the single biggest determinant of whether a coach succeeds or fails.

Sorry, I disagree that at this level it's up to the coach. And not over 80+ games. And not in 2011 with million dollar players.

Did you see the HBO series on the Caps/Penguins? That was a key game for both teams, especially the Caps who were struggling.

Neither coach was yelling and screaming or making demands. They both - and their staff - calmly went over the game plan. It was up to the players to prepare themselves mentally and physically.

These are highly paid professionals. Adult men. Not boys. They get themselves prepared to play. Or they don't. It has to come from within.

Sure, it's up to the coaches to install a game plan and put the players in the right position to win. On that score, Saunders can be criticized (as any coach can).

Game planning, subbing, rotations? Okay, have at it.

Getting adult men to play hard? That's up to them. You either play hard for a Phil Jackson or Popovich or Rivers or you're gone. They won't babysit you and somehow install a work ethic in you. You bring that with you.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 22, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I happened to see a group of baby Marines in tee shirts reading "Pain Is Weakness Leaving The Body". Couldn't help thinking: or entering rapidly.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I think every NBA coach would like his guys to give all-out effort. That happens some of the time, of course. And other times the team clearly takes a game off, for one reason or another. The bulk of NBA games would fall somewhere in the middle.

Does the Lakers or Celts consistently play harder than the Wiz or the Wolves? Be hard to verify that just by watching the games. IMO overall the Wiz' effort level has been quite high this season, with some notable exceptions when they appeared lost. You could argue that it's easier to motivate a winning team than a losing one, but we all know winning clubs can come out flat at the most awkward times, too -- witness Cleveland or Orlando in playoff losses last season.

I suspect it's more about the players than the coach. College ball might be different.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, here's a prophecy for ya: the usual suspects will insist I've got it all 'wrong! wrong! wrong!"

And am in the pay of Osama Bin Laden or Ernie Grunfeld, whichever is worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse "

Frankly, I don't think anyone cares.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 22, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

BTW, here's a prophecy for ya: the usual suspects will insist I've got it all 'wrong! wrong! wrong!"

And am in the pay of Osama Bin Laden or Ernie Grunfeld, whichever is worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 10:28 AM

P I M P is the word.

Posted by: member8 | January 22, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Frankly, I don't think anyone cares.
Posted by: DC_MAN88"

LOL I certainly don't.

BTW, why do you write everything in bold?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, why do you write everything in bold?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 22, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse "

Why do you write everything in regular font?

For me, it's easier to find where I left off from my last posting.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 22, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88

roflmao

Posted by: MinuMang | January 22, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

For anyone calling for Flip or Ernie's dismissal, who are you proposing replaces them? There are maybe 5 really good coaches in the NBA and the same number of quality GMs. Obviously, Flip and Ernie fall into neither group. I'd agree that the Ernie and Flippy show has run its course, but what's the replacement strategy?

Posted by: randysbailin | January 22, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Players either have professional pride or they don't. No coach can create it for them. Not at this level. Not with grown men.

Posted by: SteveMG

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with you all the way on this. these guys aren't in primary school any more.

Posted by: MinuMang | January 22, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

For anyone calling for Flip or Ernie's dismissal, who are you proposing replaces them? There are maybe 5 really good coaches in the NBA and the same number of quality GMs. Obviously, Flip and Ernie fall into neither group. I'd agree that the Ernie and Flippy show has run its course, but what's the replacement strategy?
Posted by: randysbail

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first an admission: I'm not a fan of the "get rid of the coach in the middle of the year because maybe, with luck, someone else will get a few more wins out of this group of players" because I see a few more losses as equally, if not more, likely.

however, if I were in that group of fans, I'd push for a clone of vinny del negro as being the perfect coach for this roster. (1) runs a really simple offense that even every dummy on this team could probably grasp. (2) is reputed to be wildly charismatic, motivational, and beloved by all players. (3)would probably come cheap.

of course, for wins in the long run, I'd have to say keep the coach and lose the players who don't fit in.

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