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Posted at 12:30 PM ET, 01/ 4/2011

Wizards have entire roster practicing for first time

By Gene Wang

Wizards Coach Flip Saunders was watching a Boston Celtics game on television the other night when he heard an announcer talking about Celtics Coach Doc Rivers having to come up with his fifth starting lineup of the season. Saunders thought about his own team's situation: The Wizards have had three times as many different starting lineups this season because of injury and/or suspensions.

Today, Saunders was able to begin at least considering continuity, even if only a tiny bit, after all 15 players on the roster participated in practice for the first time this season. With full player availability, the Wizards went through a spirited practice that emphasized defense before the team departed for Philadelphia, where it will try for its first road win.

"Tommy Heinsohn was saying, 'Poor Doc, he's going through his fifth starting lineup,'" Saunders said. "How he's had to make so many changes and how it's got to be so tough. We were at 15 or 16 or whatever. But it's all a part of it, you know."

Among the notable ailing players who took part in practice today were guard Kirk Hinrich and guard-forward Josh Howard. Both missed Washington's most recent game, a 92-81 loss to New Orleans on Saturday, with Hinrich nursing a left thigh contusion and Howard sitting out with a sore left knee.

Hinrich and Howard appeared unencumbered by their ailments during the portion of practice open to the media, and they would be welcome additions when the Wizards seek to end an 0-16 road record tomorrow against the 76ers.

"Better than yesterday," Howard said when asked how he felt physically. "Still a little bit sore. Still day-to-day. Hopefully it will get better overnight, and I can come out there tomorrow and play."

By Gene Wang  | January 4, 2011; 12:30 PM ET
Categories:  Flip Saunders, Josh Howard, Kirk Hinrich  
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Comments

starters should be:

Wall
Young
Martin
Lewis
Mcgee

blatche can we trade u for a luis scola please???

Posted by: mrhney03 | January 4, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Now if they can just get Blatche to work at his job full time, get in shape, go tough to the glass and stop taking early long jumpers.

Nick has come around on court. Andray talks a good game, but doesn't work hard enough to have one.

Posted by: joe2chase | January 4, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

all 15 players on the roster participated in practice for the first time this season...

ailing players who took part in practice today were guard Kirk Hinrich and guard-forward Josh Howard...Hinrich and Howard appeared unencumbered by their ailments during the portion of practice open to the media, and they would be welcome additions when the Wizards seek to end an 0-16 road record tomorrow against the 76ers.

No excuses, since Flip and Ernie aren't into the "youth movement" I would expect Flip to play Kirk, Lewis, Howard and Armstrong while last years other 2 1st round picks sit and watch.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

What team has had the same starting lineup up to today?

Posted by: jefferu | January 4, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

starters should be:

Wall
Young
Martin
Lewis
Mcgee

Y'Know, looking at that list, this is the first time it's dawned on me that we've got Martin and Lewis on the roster. Although, quite frankly, given some of the pratfalls this team has taken, Abbott and Costello might be more fitting.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Then I don't get the relevance. Different coach, different player.

Last bit of schooling for you....

2004 NBA Champ Pistons under Larry Brown
1380 FGAs within 16-23ft
2560 FGAs within 3ft

2005 Pistons under Flip
1629 FGAs within 16-23ft
2122 FGAs within 3ft

Jumpshooting offense by design. Proof is everywhere throughout Flip's career, and it's not like he hasn't had success with it. But he runs a guard oriented, jump shooting offense (see: Nick Young). Always has, probably always will.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I think that's not a bad starting lineup, but I would prefer Howard starting over Martin.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Last bit of schooling for you....

Flip didn't take over the year after the Pistons won the title, and your school is becoming famous for its class on cherry picking.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 4, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Last bit of schooling for you....Posted by: divi3"

LOL I don't think I'm the one who needs the schooling.

You attempted to draw a conclusion about Flip Saunders and Andray Blatche based on Kevin Garnett's shooting during a season in Minnesota when Saunders was no longer the coach.

So different coach, different player, different team -- that's not the way you arrive at a conclusion.

Really, I'd be embarrassed if I tried to pull a stunt like that.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

starters should be:
Wall
Young
Martin
Lewis
Mcgee

Y'Know, looking at that list, this is the first time it's dawned on me that we've got Martin and Lewis on the roster. Although, quite frankly, given some of the pratfalls this team has taken, Abbott and Costello might be more fitting.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I think that's not a bad starting lineup, but I would prefer Howard starting over Martin.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Yea it's great for a team who's owner told us we were in a Youth Movement

Flip and Ernie should trade...

AB, Al, Yi, NY and JM to Portland for Camby and Miller and a 1st pick...

Then Flip could start...

PG Miller 34
SG Kirk 30
C Camby 36
SF Howard 30
PF Lewis 31

Wall, Booker, and Seraphin can sit on the bench and watch since that's how players are supposed to develop under Ernie and Etaps.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

To be fair he's not moving those feet very quickly or deliberately in his offensive efforts either. There's just no way to get your shot capped, or dribble off your foot on defense, so it looks less egregious. Once someone starts using "Individual Points Against" as part of the player rankings his 16ish points and 8ish rebs per game will no longer absolve him of the countless forays to the rim he allows.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 4, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Yea it's great for a team who's owner told us we were in a Youth Movement

Flip and Ernie should trade...

AB, Al, Yi, NY and JM to Portland for Camby and Miller and a 1st pick...

Then Flip could start...

PG Miller 34
SG Kirk 30
C Camby 36
SF Howard 30
PF Lewis 31

Wall, Booker, and Seraphin can sit on the bench and watch since that's how players are supposed to develop under Ernie and Etaps.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

We saw it when you posted it last week...and you skit four times.

We get it.

Damn.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 4, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"We saw it when you posted it last week...and you skit four times.We get it." posted by SDMDTSU

You're assuming bulletsfan78 remembers what he posted last week...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Flip didn't take over the year after the Pistons won the title

You are right, those Brown stats are from the season they lost in the Finals. Doesnt undermine the point one iota.

and your school is becoming famous for its class on cherry picking.

You're welcome to post some stats of your own, which you've been known to do (appreciated). Sure beats seemingly baseless opinions going back and forth.

Or at least baseless in one direction as I'm supporting my opinion with some facts.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Really, I'd be embarrassed if I tried to pull a stunt like that.

I'd be embarrassed if I tried to question Blake Griffin's value based on his shorter wingspan than Taj Gibson....to each their own I suppose!

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I suspect this is one reason why stats get a bad rep with some coaches and GMs -- people have a preconceived idea, grab on to some stats that seem to support it, and proceed to lose contact with external reality.

It's not enough to draw a line through several points and claim 'mission accomplished'. To have meaning, conclusions drawn from stats have to account for a variety of contextual variables. Even then, it's a good idea never to look at just one measure independent of others. Even a simple sport like basketball fosters questions that are just too complex.

I'm a fan of stats, but when they illuminate, not distort. And the very act of measuring naturally distorts some aspects of the conclusion. We shouldn't act in such a way as to make that even worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"You're assuming bulletsfan78 remembers what he posted last week..."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 3:42 PM

Case in point:

"Wall, Booker, and Seraphin can sit on the bench and watch since that's how players are supposed to develop under Ernie and Etaps."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 3:26 PM

"ETaps"?

So . . . does he actually still think it's 2009, or does he just have one post template that he cut-and-pastes over and over again?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"I'd be embarrassed if I tried to question Blake Griffin's value based on his shorter wingspan than Taj Gibson....to each their own I suppose!Posted by: divi3'

Not that I did that, of course, but does that matter to you? In your quest for an altered reality, I mean...


Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

And the very act of measuring naturally distorts some aspects of the conclusion.

Actually this isnt quantum physics.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"You are right, those Brown stats are from the season they lost in the Finals. Doesnt undermine the point one iota."

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 3:50 PM

Of course it doesn't undermine the point. But that's because it has absolutely nothing to do with the point!

Priceless.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome to post some stats of your own, which you've been known to do (appreciated). Posted by: divi3

No thanks, but I will point out that the year the Pistons won the Finals, Rasheed Wallace was a free agent. Afterwards, he got paid. No one seems to mention that.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 4, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

To be fair he's not moving those feet very quickly or deliberately in his offensive efforts either. There's just no way to get your shot capped, or dribble off your foot on defense, so it looks less egregious. Once someone starts using "Individual Points Against" as part of the player rankings his 16ish points and 8ish rebs per game will no longer absolve him of the countless forays to the rim he allows.

I think AB has looked like a bum for most of this season. Just pointing out Flip isnt dying to run the offense through the post, he leans on midrange Js and has for years. He's never mentioned "posting up like KG" has he? It's "Rip curls" isn't it?

It's worked too, I'm just saying the players should be judged within what the offense is trying to accomplish. Which still makes Dray a bum this season, but of a different sort.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Flip reminds me of Eeyore the donkey.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 4, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

So . . . does he actually still think it's 2009, or does he just have one post template that he cut-and-pastes over and over again?

Guess you don't realize Tapscott is currently director of player development? PRICELESS

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Actually this isnt quantum physics.
Posted by: divi3"

LOL I think divi has backed himself into a corner and is putting on an exhibition of tap dancing par excellence...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

It's quite a challenge, justifying the thesis that the way Kevin Garnett shot the ball while playing under Dwayne Casey five years ago in a city 1,114 miles away explains why Andray Blatche doesn't go to the rim in Washington... this requires all sorts of distortions of space and time.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Flip reminds me of Eeyore the donkey.

Then as an ass, he must be distantly related to you. :)

Posted by: djnnnou | January 4, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

It's quite a challenge, justifying the thesis that the way Kevin Garnett shot the ball while playing under Dwayne Casey five years ago in a city 1,114 miles away explains why Andray Blatche doesn't go to the rim in Washington... this requires all sorts of distortions of space and time.

LOL..Noticeable you're making no mention of the Pistons data, nor providing any of your own.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Guess you don't realize Tapscott is currently director of player development? PRICELESS"

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 4:13 PM

Nah. Pretty cheap and easy stuff, really. I made a gaff. I admit it. I move on. See how easy that is?

Try it sometime. Or you could continue on your current tack and try posting some stats from one of Dick Motta's Bullets teams to prove that Flip Saunders runs a jumpshooting based offense. Or maybe some Rasheed Wallace shooting percentages from NC to prove that Blatche's 20 foot bricks are a designed part of the offensive plan?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Noticeable you're making no mention of the Pistons data, nor providing any of your own."

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 4:26 PM

By that, of course, you mean the Pistons data from when Larry Brown was coach which has absolutely no correlation to anything involving Flip Saunders.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Say good-bye what little there was on any "Youth Movement" the draft picks will gather dust on the bench with Hamady probably being dropped at some point.

Posted by: FireGrunfeld | January 4, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the late posting of

GILBERT IS A BUST WATCH

11 pts/ 0 rebs/ 2 ast
26 min off the bench

Added food for thought

Orlando Magic guard Gilbert Arenas played the entire fourth quarter Monday night against the Golden State Warriors, as Jameer Nelson logged just 8 minutes, 41 seconds in the second half.

Arenas’ increased playing time had nothing to do with his points (11) or assists (2), however.

It was all about Arenas’ exceptional play on the defensive end of the floor.

“I thought he played very, very hard defensively and I wanted to reward that,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said

Posted by: zack9633 | January 4, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FireGrunfeld | January 4, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Hamady should be dropped. I don't remeber who was out there at his selection, but we shoulda drafted someone who could serve some purpose on the team. Scottie Reynolds went undrafted for example. I dunno i just think it was a bad pick. i hope they can turn him into a Mutumbo project typa player and maybe he earns mins in a season or two, but it really stinks to have to wait for that when there should be other players available that can help the team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 4, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

By that, of course, you mean the Pistons data from when Larry Brown was coach which has absolutely no correlation to anything involving Flip Saunders.

Sure it does. Basically the exact same roster from Brown to Saunders, and a seasoned championship group at that. The sudden change in shot selection is more likely by design than just random happenstance.

BTW, the '04 Piston under Brown were 13th in the league for FTA. The '05 Saunders Pistons were 26th.

None of that excuses ABs poor play, but it does lend credence to the notion Flip is a jumpshooting kinda guy.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Noticeable you're making no mention of the Pistons data, nor providing any of your own.Posted by: divi3"

Because I'm not trying to disprove your argument. I'm just pointing out that it's crap.

If you really wanted to prove a point about Flip Saunders, Andray Blatche, and the Washington Wizards, you should limit yourself to data that meets 3 conditions:

1) Flip Saunders is the head coach, and
2) Andray Blatche is the player, and
3) the Wizards are the team.

Then because the Wiz' prior season was unusually disrupted by events, you should probably also limit yourself to Blatche's starts, or set a threshold for minutes played. That should actually help your point, if there's any merit to it, because Blatche's best games were late last season, when he was the focus of the offense.

If the resulting sample is big enough, you might try to draw some conclusions, which will inevitably be questioned.

But that's how you do it.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

What you're doing, instead, is just restating data that doesn't prove your point about Andray Blatche.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If you really wanted to prove a point about Flip Saunders, Andray Blatche, and the Washington Wizards, you should limit yourself to data that meets 3 conditions:

Oh yeah I forgot, supposed to limit everything to the Wizards situations...unless of course it's time to mention all Flip's previous success elsewhere as proof he's better than his .298 record here would indicate.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

What you're doing, instead, is just restating data that doesn't prove your point about Andray Blatche.

I'm making a point about Flip's offense, namely, that longish 2s are a staple of it.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Oh yeah I forgot, supposed to limit everything to the Wizards situations...unless of course it's time to mention all Flip's previous success elsewhere as proof he's better than his .298 record here would indicate.Posted by: divi3"

Nope. Your original argument (you've probably forgotten by now) was that Andray's not taking the ball to the basket was the result of coaching, not his own reluctance. In support of that, you offered data from Minnesota a few years back, after Flip left -- data pertaining to Kevin Garnett. Based on that, you concluded that Andray was just following Flip's instructions.

I pointed that data from a different player and a different coach -- and I might have added, different team, different season -- wasn't relevant to proving that point.

And of course, it isn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"I'm making a point about Flip's offense, namely, that longish 2s are a staple of it.
Posted by: divi3"

You're making that point now, because you couldn't make the one you started with. That's called 'moving the goal until you can hit it.'

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If they can stay healthy (relatively speaking) over the next 20 games or until the all-star game, we should be able to get a good measure as to whether Saunders is capable of turning this into the right direction.

Won't necessarily be wins and losses (we're talking baby steps now). It'll be performance, competitiveness, something to build upon. We'll be able to see it.

If he can't, I'll join the pitchfork crowd in Clinton, Md.

You're on the clock, Flip.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 4, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Great. All 15 practice and Flip will only play 8 tomorrow.

Booker should never be getting DNP-CDs at this point in the season. His energy and hustle makes an immediate impact. I also have a hunch he would play well with Lewis since their skill sets would compliement nicely.

Posted by: elfreako | January 4, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

As-long as everyone is healthy, kiss good-bye to the rookies (Not that Flip played them that-much anyway). Flip is itching to establish his tight, 8-man rotation and get some wins under his belt. Get the rookies some pom-poms.

If Ernie had any brains he's send Seraphin to play in the Euroleague or NBDL, he needs to be playing basketball.

Posted by: closg | January 4, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

That's called 'moving the goal until you can hit it.'

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I get it wait till NEXT YEAR again?

That's what the Ernie and Flip lead Wizards will be doing as long as they are in charge and you and kal will keep making up excuses for him

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Don't ask, but I no, do you think nick like shooting all thoses threes, or 10 to 15 footers, or driving to the hole?

Posted by: maejude | January 4, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"Booker should never be getting DNP-CDs at this point in the season. His energy and hustle makes an immediate impact. I also have a hunch he would play well with Lewis since their skill sets would compliement nicely.Posted by: elfreako"

I like watching the guy. He does look a little lost out there however.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"That's called 'moving the goal until you can hit it.'Posted by: Samson151
"I get it wait till NEXT YEAR again?
That's what the Ernie and Flip lead Wizards will be doing as long as they are in charge and you and kal will keep making up excuses for him Posted by: bulletsfan78'

You realize that your response has nothing at all to do with my post?

No, maybe you don't.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"If Ernie had any brains he's send Seraphin to play in the Euroleague or NBDL, he needs to be playing basketball.Posted by: closg"

Wasn't there something in Seraphin's contract that requires him to be on the roster?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Booker's played in 27 games with 2 starts. Kind of surprised me; I thought it was less than that. He's averaging a little under 13 minutes. Good productivity, however; 4 points on 51.2%FG, 73% from the line, 2.4 boards, 0.6 steals, 0.4 assists, 0.3 blocks, .07 TOs. Not that shabby for a short reliever.

Just for fun I checked the players drafted immediately before and after him (Elliot Williams, #22, is on IR):

21. Craig Brackins, Phila - 2 games, 0 starts, 10.5 minutes, 4 points, 36.4% FG, no FTs, 1.5 rebounds.

24. Damion James, NJ - 17 games, 1 start, 12.9 minutes, 3.1 points, 35%FG, 61%FT, 2.9 boards, 0.6 assists, 0.8 TOs

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Samson, Damion James had been injured, and Craig was sent to the D league for playing-time.

Posted by: FireGrunfeld | January 4, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

TITLE: Wizards have entire roster practicing for first time
SUB TITLE: So what?
------------------
"If Ernie had any brains he's send Seraphin to play in the Euroleague or NBDL, he needs to be playing basketball.Posted by: closg"

Wasn't there something in Seraphin's contract that requires him to be on the roster?

Posted by: Samson151
Yeah there is: another screw up by Grunfeld.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 4, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"Samson, Damion James had been injured, and Craig was sent to the D league for playing-time.Posted by: FireGrunfeld"

I excluded poor Elliot Williams of Portland who got hurt early. But it sure doesn't seem like Trevor's experience in his rookie season is too different from others drafted around then, does it?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah there is: another screw up by Grunfeld.
Posted by: getjiggly2"

I thought Seraphin wouldn't sign without that guarantee?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

So . . . does he actually still think it's 2009, or does he just have one post template that he cut-and-pastes over and over again?

Guess you don't realize Tapscott is currently director of player development? PRICELESS

Posted by: divi3
*************
This franchise is screwed as long as Grunfeld continues. Tapscott is just an employee- Grunfeld folks, Gunfeld. Ted?

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 4, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I thought Seraphin wouldn't sign without that guarantee?

Posted by: Samson151
--
who cares ? He sucks.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 4, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Picked #39, Landry Fields is having a freak rookie season, having played all 33 games for the Knicks while averaging 31 mpg, 10ppg and 7.4 rebs.

Posted by: midlevex_ | January 4, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"I thought Seraphin wouldn't sign without that guarantee?
Posted by: Samson151
"who cares ? He sucks.
Posted by: getjiggly2"

LOL I didn't think you actually knew what you were talking about.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"Picked #39, Landry Fields is having a freak rookie season, having played all 33 games for the Knicks while averaging 31 mpg, 10ppg and 7.4 rebs.Posted by: midlevex_"

He really is. Will get some RoY votes.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I notice he's wearing the holographic power bracelet. No doubt the secret to his success.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"I thought Seraphin wouldn't sign without that guarantee?
Posted by: Samson151
"who cares ? He sucks.
Posted by: getjiggly2"

LOL I didn't think you actually knew what you were talking about.

Posted by: Samson151
LOL. I thought you did.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 4, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

".......Blatche in a funk, trying to clear his mind......."

By Washington Post editors

If being passed around the league doesn't get your attention, nothing will. Head him up, move him out.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"We saw it when you posted it last week...and you skit four times.We get it." posted by SDMDTSU

You're assuming bulletsfan78 remembers what he posted last week...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Chuckle. You're a bad-d-d-d man!

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"That's called 'moving the goal until you can hit it.'Posted by: Samson151
"I get it wait till NEXT YEAR again?
That's what the Ernie and Flip lead Wizards will be doing as long as they are in charge and you and kal will keep making up excuses for him Posted by: bulletsfan78'

You realize that your response has nothing at all to do with my post?

No, maybe you don't.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Sure I do...I thought since you work for the PR department you would pass it on so the Wizards could use it as their new slogan.

We'll keep moving the goal until we can hit it.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld=Dinosaur.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 4, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

You're assuming bulletsfan78 remembers what he posted last week...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and I can remeber what I posted last year which is Flip sucks as a head coach and Ernie sucks as a GM.

Guess what I am right about both.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Sampson151 is not in PR. He's Front Office /Marketing. "Spin Doctor(ess)"
Good at it too.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 4, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Sampson151 is not in PR. He's Front Office /Marketing. "Spin Doctor(ess)"
Good at it too.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 4, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Really?

I don't think...

FireGrunfeld
closg
divi3
rmcazz

or I are buying what he is selling.

I'm sure there are more people on here that aren't willing to put the blinders on and follow Sampson151 to Jonestown.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 10:19 PM | Report abuse

@Divi,

I generally agree that Flip's offense does allow for AB and some of the other bigs to take more jumpers than maybe other offenses, and they don't try as hard as they probably should to work the ball into the post.

At the same time, it is also true that when they do get AB the ball in the post, he is reluctant (for whatever reasons) to make post moves. Case in point, in the famous KH zero assist game against Houston. The first three possessions of the game the ball was dropped into AB on the post (Flip had Lewis making the post entry pass on all 3). The first one, AB hit a quick fadeaway. The second one, he faced up, dribbled backwards, and missed an 18ft'er. The third one, he faced up, backed up, and attempted to drive, and when that failed, gave the ball up. And that was when matched up against 6'6" Chuck Hayes.

The reason that McGee is occasionally / often ignored in the post is because he is not an effective scorer in the post. And he is also a black hole. They know if he gets it, he's shooting it. He has finally established one move, the swooping hook going across the lane. He's gotten reasonably good with that. I have seen him try and do other things, but none with consistency, efficiency or effectiveness. If he can continue to develop consistent moves, maybe they will be more willing to go to him. Until then, there is no reason to give him the ball on the block.

In terms of getting McGee / AB the ball going to the basket, they have started to introduce that more of late. Wall has finally gone back to looking for the -oop to BDW off of the pick (I believe they hooked up for one last game). I haven't seen it as much of late, but when KH would penetrate, he would occasionally just loft it up and left McGee go get it.

AB gets the ball less going to the hoop for two reasons, 1) he rolls to the hoop less (whether by preference, offensive design, or both) and 2) he's had a lot of trouble this year finishing at the rim. Where he has gotten back to it recently is off of passes from Lewis.

Posted by: ts35 | January 4, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"FireGrunfeld
closg
divi3
rmcazz
or I..." posted by bulletsfan78

Quite a group you have there...explains a lot.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Quite a group you have there...explains a lot.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

That's 3 more then you and kal...

and I won't even talk about the fans who don't go to the Verizon Center.

How many games have they sold out this year?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 11:58 PM | Report abuse

How is it that the very same person that got the team to this point is still responsible for the rebuilding?
Oh, I am sorry, I forgot, all the moves he made were forced upon him by a man on a wheelchair. I am guessing Blatche's ridiculous extension was influenced by Abe's ghost.
And I find it rather strange that the very same people that lament some of Ernie's moves are some of his biggest supporters (Kalo, Samson...)

Posted by: Utilityman1 | January 5, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure if the post did a poll and asked people if they want Ernie and Flip running the team next year...

More people would vote no then yes.

I vote no

1 for no 0 for yes

Hey, 1-0 just like Wittman which is better then Flip's 0-2 record since he's been back

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 5, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Wizards Hoping for All-Star Invites
By: Andrew Rosen

While the event provides the league’s best a platform to show off their talent, when invitations were sent out the past two seasons, the Wizards were noticeably left out. All-Star appearances were common place earlier in the decade when the team even sent multiple representatives on four occasions, but the Wizards were one of just five teams to not receive a bid to any event last year. To add insult to injury, the Wizards were the only team in the NBA to be shutout of All-Star weekend over the last two years.

Great job Ernie

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 5, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey, 1-0 just like Wittman which is better then Flip's 0-2 record since he's been back

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Flip's won seven times as many games as Wittman this season. And they're both 0-for-the-road. Clearly Wittman is the problem.

Posted by: ts35 | January 5, 2011 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Flip's won seven times as many games as Wittman this season. And they're both 0-for-the-road. Clearly Wittman is the problem.

Posted by: ts35 | January 5, 2011 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Flip's lost twenty four times as many games as Wittman this season. And they're both 0-for-the-road. Clearly Flip isn't the problem?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 5, 2011 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Los Angeles Clippers forward Blake Griffin will take part in the slam dunk contest during this year's NBA All-Star weekend.

Washington Wizards center JaVale McGee, Oklahoma City Thunder forward Serge Ibaka and Milwaukee Bucks guard Brandon Jennings also are in the field.

I guess the Zards will have someone competing on allstar weekend. McGee to become the new SuperMan

Posted by: zack9633 | January 5, 2011 5:08 AM | Report abuse

FireGrunfeld
closg
divi3
rmcazz
or I..." posted by bulletsfan78

Quite a group you have there...explains a lot.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Add me to the groupwho is in favor of firing Erie and Flip. Also, a two seat full season ticket holder who will defimitely not renew if Ernie and Flip are back next year.

Posted by: NewManagement | January 5, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

"Los Angeles Clippers forward Blake Griffin will take part in the slam dunk contest during this year's NBA All-Star weekend.

"Washington Wizards center JaVale McGee, Oklahoma City Thunder forward Serge Ibaka and Milwaukee Bucks guard Brandon Jennings also are in the field."

Unusual number of big men -- that actually helps Jennings' chances. Little guys just look like they're doing more in a dunk contest. Howard's win was something of a rarity.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"Also, a two seat full season ticket holder who will defimitely not renew if Ernie and Flip are back next year.Posted by: NewManagement"

You purchased two full season tickets, knowing what sort of roster we had? No wonder you're so ticked off.

Condolences...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sure if the post did a poll and asked people if they want Ernie and Flip running the team next year...More people would vote no then yes."

If everybody votes no then yes, don't they cancel themselves out?

This is one crazy election you came up with...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"FireGrunfeld
closg
divi3
rmcazz
or I..."

You forgot getjiggly2. Or do sock puppets get to vote? Is it like American Idol where you can vote as many times as you want? Except instead of a 13 year old girl in Reseda, we have BF78 in his basement with an ounce of Banana Kush...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Really, and no offense intended, anybody contemplating buying season tix should have been able to see this coming before the season. Ted didn't even work very hard to hide it. Dan Snyder and the Lerners would have beem spreading BS all over the city to pump up ticket sales. All Ted did was acknowledge a serious rebuilding effort and ask people to support the team through hard times...

Most season tix sales are to business, et al, who use them for marketing, employee and customer perks, that sort of thing. All fully deductible. The casual fan likes to go out for an evening on the town and may be more interested in the other team than the Wizards. Plus there's some curiosity about John Wall. He's really the only guy on this team a casual fan would want to see. Oh Javale can be entertaining for a couple plays, but outside of that... who we got? Imagine you're a fan from Phila or NY instead of DC -- who on that roster do you want to brave the cold to watch?

So don't be too hard on Ted and the crew for not realizing your dream. If money was tight and you sprang for those seats anyway -- you're a better fan than I am, gunga din.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

pull the trigger ernie and trade that anchor Blache

Posted by: jreed63 | January 5, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sure if the post did a poll and asked people if they want Ernie and Flip running the team next year...More people would vote no then yes."

If everybody votes no then yes, don't they cancel themselves out?

This is one crazy election you came up with...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

i like it. thEn vs thAn. kinda snarky but i like it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 5, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Also, a two seat full season ticket holder who will defimitely not renew if Ernie and Flip are back next year.Posted by: NewManagement"

You purchased two full season tickets, knowing what sort of roster we had? No wonder you're so ticked off.

Condolences...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I like ball and the organization is as much of the problem as the roster. I could find a myriad of reasons to go tho the games but I can't stoumach the mismanagement and terrible way this team has been coached or developed.

Posted by: NewManagement | January 5, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

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