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Posted at 3:00 AM ET, 01/14/2011

Wizards keep nope alive on the road

By Michael Lee

Will I win a road game my rookie year? (AP Photo/Jim Mone)


The Wizards have shown that they are capable of making runs on the road. They had several on Thursday in Minneapolis, as they came back from a 10-point first quarter deficit to take the lead in just eight minutes and a 10-point third quarter deficit to take the lead in another eight minutes.

They can't seem to make that final run. Instead, they just get run over.

I was assured by a league source after the Wizards' 109-97 loss that Coach Flip Saunders should not be worried about his job security, and I heard a similar refrain from another source last week. But as these road losses mount, you have to wonder when the patience dissipates with the continued ineptness away from home.

The Minnesota Timberwolves became the 19th team to accept a bye, um, steamroll the Wizards in its home arena. The Timberwolves closed the game on a rapid-fire 19-3 run over the final 4 minutes, 30 seconds, taking advantage of a series of missed shots and turnovers from the Wizards that have become routine.

"It's just like all the other ones," John Wall said. "We're right there."

And then...they weren't. The Wizards trailed by six points with nine minutes remaining, but they were almost flawless during a 12-2 run that allowed them to take a 94-90 lead. Kirk Hinrich converted a three-point play, Wall found Yi Jianlian at the top of the key for jumper, then drew in the defense to hit Trevor Booker for a dunk and Yi for another dunk. And, finally Nick Young caught a pass from Hinrich and made a corner three-pointer. They moved the ball well, made shots, then...they didn't.

By now, teams have figured out that if they push back, the Wizards fall back. Hinrich was correct last Saturday when he said the Wizards "aren't mentally strong," because they play frantic and frazzled instead of calm and collected in the final minutes. Before the game, Saunders said, "Veteran teams look like they play in slow motion. Young teams look like they drank 10 Mountain Dews or 10 Red Bulls before the game."

But the Wizards didn't lose to the Minnesota because of youth. The oldest player on the floor for Timberwolves was 29-year-old Luke Ridnour. Ridnour was surrounded by Darko Milicic (25), Corey Brewer (24), Wayne Ellington (23), Kevin Love (22). Not exactly a crew of chiseled, playoff-tested veterans. And, this was a team that had lost five in a row, with three of them decided by three points.

The Timberwolves don't have a knack for finishing, either.


Kevin, why are you shooting all of those threes? I need a road win. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

So, that excuse about age and inexperience is growing pretty stale when the Wizards had Rashard Lewis (31) and Hinrich (30) on the floor during the collapse. Lewis and Hinrich ensured that the Wizards were in the game, as both veterans took turns leading comebacks. "Both of them were great," Saunders said. "They both basically kept us in the game and gave us opportunities."

Just not down the stretch, when Hinrich and Lewis were unable to get some good looks to fall.

When Love hit a three-pointer to give the Timberwolves a 95-94 lead, Wall attempted to make a skip pass to Young that Brewer stole. Minnesota swung the ball around, then Ellington found Milicic cutting to the basket for a slam. After McGee made a free throw, the Timberwolves again swung around the ball -- eight times, the be exact -- before Ellington knocked a three-pointer to put them ahead, 100-95. Lewis tried to strike back with a three-pointer, but missed, then Love buried them with another three-pointer, wildly beating his chest as he ran down the floor.

This was my first time watching this new-look Love in person, and he was really a dominant force on the court. He's so much better than he has been the past two seasons. It was most startling that the Wizards were pleased to "hold him" to 11 rebounds. But his three-point proficiency was even more remarkable, because his shots didn't touch the rim before dropping. His stroke was pure, as he made 5 of 6 attempts from long range.

"That's supposed to be a Nick Young night, right?" Young joked. "Big man playing like a guard out there."

Saunders was searching for an explanation that made sense, but he really couldn't. This road losing streak doesn't make any sense. He singled out Young for attempting to "hit the big shots," but he only got one shot after his three-pointer gave the Wizards a four-point lead. And when Young missed his last three-point attempt, the team was already down by 10 points at the time.

"We play different at home than on the road," Young said. "Times like this, the last five minutes, you've got to know who to get the ball to, and let them make plays. We lost sight of that, and it got away from us."

Saunders also said Wall will have to learn how to lead his team to the finish line in order to become a truly elite point guard. "You have to keep on going. That's sometimes, the frustration of having a young point guard, at times, because that's his maturity, his growing up process, as far as going through this. Sometimes, he makes good plays and sometimes he doesn't. As a point guard, how you're judged is how your team finishes games. We just have to keep on working."

Wall initially frowned at the critique from his coach, but said, "I take fault for that, because I'm the leader of the team. At the same, I think we was getting good shots, we just didn't make them when we had the lead. He was calling great plays for us, down the stretch, we just didn't make them. I feel like, if we running and get a good shot and miss, I can't control that."

The Wizards will be back on the road to face Milwaukee on Jan. 19 and they will try to avoid being the sixth team to start the season with at least 20 road losses. Wall added that the Wizards need to figure out something soon. "They got their crowd into it, and that's all they needed," he said of the Timberwolves. "They had their back. At home, we believe in our crowd to bring us back. We've got to learn to bring that energy on the road when we don't have our crowd."

How many more times before they take heed to these lessons?

By Michael Lee  | January 14, 2011; 3:00 AM ET
Categories:  Flip Saunders, John Wall, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Young, Rashard Lewis  
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Comments

Feb 13th @ Cleveland...could it be the end of the away losing streak?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Lewis and Hinrich ensured that the Wizards were in the game, as both veterans took turns leading comebacks. "Both of them were great," Saunders said. "They both basically kept us in the game and gave us opportunities."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:43 AM | Report abuse

Hinrich Jump Shot: Missed 09:44
Hinrich Running Jump Shot: Made (15 PTS) 08:50 [WAS 84-88]
Hinrich Free Throw 1 of 1 (16 PTS) 08:50
[WAS 85-88]
Hinrich Jump Shot: Missed 06:59
Hinrich Running Jump Shot: Missed 05:07
Hinrich Driving Layup Shot: Missed 2:11
Hinrich Rebound (Off:0 Def:3) 00:59.7
Hinrich Turnover : Lost Ball (3 TO)00:57.9
Hinrich Foul : Personal (1 PF) 00:23.8
Hinrich Running Jump Shot: Made (18 PTS) 00:12.1

Lewis Jump Shot: Missed 04:05
Lewis 3pt Shot: Missed 02:38
Lewis Foul : Personal (5 PF) 01:36


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Saunders...singled out Young for attempting to "hit the big shots," but he only got one shot after his three-pointer gave the Wizards a four-point lead.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Saunders also said Wall will have to learn how to lead his team to the finish line in order to become a truly elite point guard.

Wall initially frowned at the critique from his coach, but said, I feel like, if we running and get a good shot and miss, I can't control that."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:51 AM | Report abuse

Wall...if we running and get a good shot and miss, I can't control that."

Only Kirk gets a pass for his teammates missing shots.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:54 AM | Report abuse

I was assured by a league source...that Coach Flip Saunders should not be worried about his job security

That's the best news in the world, without Flip the Wizards might be winless on the road?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:56 AM | Report abuse

Javale got out played by Darko. Just savor that for a minute. ...........Javale can do some things, but he can't be a physical presence in the paint, banging bodies with other centers and gaining position that way. He's a help defender because he can jump over two guys to get to the third guy to block a shot. Maybe Javale should try that in the dunk contest... surprise Brandon Jennings and run on the court and block one of his dunks... or maybe try and block his own dunk. That would be special. Javale could go up for a dunk, block his own dunk, and then dunk it. And then on the way down grab a piece of paper out of the net that says, "You've been traded". That might be nice.
So my point was supposed to be that Javale is no good at playing center. Wiz need a big dude with junk in his trunk to play down low, and save Javale for those full court sprints to do free throw line dunks at the end of games.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | January 14, 2011 4:06 AM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan, did you miss the article? It's right above us... here, let me help you:

The Wizards have shown that they are capable of making runs on the road. They had several on Thursday in Minneapolis, as they came back from a 10-point first quarter deficit to take the lead in just eight minutes and a 10-point third quarter deficit to take the lead in another eight minutes.

They can't seem to make that final run. Instead, they just get run over.

I was assured by a league source after the Wizards' 109-97 loss that Coach Flip Saunders should not be worried about his job security, and I heard a similar refrain from another source last week. But as these road losses mount, you have to wonder when the patience dissipates with the continued ineptness away from home.

The Minnesota Timberwolves became the 19th team to accept a bye, um, steamroll the Wizards in its home arena. The Timberwolves closed the game on a rapid-fire 19-3 run over the final 4 minutes, 30 seconds, taking advantage of a series of missed shots and turnovers from the Wizards that have become routine.

"It's just like all the other ones," John Wall said. "We're right there."

And then...they weren't. The Wizards trailed by six points with nine minutes remaining, but they were almost flawless during a 12-2 run that allowed them to take a 94-90 lead. Kirk Hinrich converted a three-point play, Wall found Yi Jianlian at the top of the key for jumper, then drew in the defense to hit Trevor Booker for a dunk and Yi for another dunk. And, finally Nick Young caught a pass from Hinrich and made a corner three-pointer. They moved the ball well, made shots, then...they didn't.

By now, teams have figured out that if they push back, the Wizards fall back. Hinrich was correct last Saturday when he said the Wizards "aren't mentally strong," because they play frantic and frazzled instead of calm and collected in the final minutes. Before the game, Saunders said, "Veteran teams look like they play in slow motion. Young teams look like they drank 10 Mountain Dews or 10 Red Bulls before the game."

But the Wizards didn't lose to the Minnesota because of youth. The oldest player on the floor for Timberwolves was 29-year-old Luke Ridnour. Ridnour was surrounded by Darko Milicic (25), Corey Brewer (24), Wayne Ellington (23), Kevin Love (22). Not exactly a crew of chiseled, playoff-tested veterans. And, this was a team that had lost five in a row, with three of them decided by three points.

The Timberwolves don't have a knack for finishing, either.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | January 14, 2011 4:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | January 14, 2011 4:14 AM | Report abuse

"But the Wizards didn't lose to the Minnesota because of youth. The oldest player on the floor for Timberwolves was 29-year-old Luke Ridnour. Ridnour was surrounded by Darko Milicic (25), Corey Brewer (24), Wayne Ellington (23), Kevin Love (22). Not exactly a crew of chiseled, playoff-tested veterans."

I think the point was, when you're playing at home, you don't need as much experience to put you over the top because, well -- you're at home.

But I do think the Wiz have a mighty case of the yips when it comes to road games. Washington actually has a better home record than some teams, but because the Wolves had won on the road, the Wiz seemed worse.

Not much you can do about human nature. Until the Wiz win one away, the rumbling will continue.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Tired of maing excuses for this awful team. One of the worst teams I have seen in a long time. Not worth the price of admission or my time. I'm selling the remiander of my season tix. Anyone interested?

Posted by: coach55 | January 14, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Tired of maing excuses for this awful team. One of the worst teams I have seen in a long time. Not worth the price of admission or my time. I'm selling the remainder of my season tix. Anyone interested?

Posted by: coach55 | January 14, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

"Javale got out played by Darko. Just savor that for a minute. ........" posted by Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot

It's true. But that was mostly because of the early fouls, something that happens a lot... on the road. McGee played 17 minutes. Darko had no PF and played 33.

The guy who really damaged the Wiz was Kevin Love, who finished with 41 minutes, 35 points, 11 boards (5 offensive), 4 assists -- and 1 personal foul. To be fair, Kevin doesn't push off on EVERY rebound. But they could at least have called a couple of them, right?

Teach Javale to flap his arms in Minnesota. They don't like that flashy stuff up in the Frozen North.

"[Javale could] try that in the dunk contest... surprise Brandon Jennings and run on the court and block one of his dunks... or maybe try and block his own dunk. That would be special. Javale could go up for a dunk, block his own dunk, and then dunk it."

Now that I would pay to see.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

BTW, anybody besides that AP reporter think that Nick basically took the game off?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

" I'm selling the remainder of my season tix. Anyone interested?Posted by: coach55"

Um, this is not the season for season tix.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Love is too big and too skilled for Booker.

How do we know that until we let him try? Booker is a strong dude, and would actually have leverage on Love something he's probably not used to. There was one play towards end of the 2nd where Book clearly bodied Love off the block and was ready to grab the board if it came.

Now that doesnt mean it would have happened all night...but I dont think we should assume the guy we drafted to be a physical, defensive, rebounding PF cant check another PF

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Javale got out played by Darko. Just savor that for a minute.

Actually they were barely in the game together aside from the 3rdQ, where JM had 2pts/4rebs/3blks and Darko went 4pts/4rebs

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

"Actually they were barely in the game together aside from the 3rdQ, where JM had 2pts/4rebs/3blks and Darko went 4pts/4rebs
Posted by: divi3"

Actually I think Janitor meant for the game as a whole -- and Darko did have the better game.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

but he can't be a physical presence in the paint, banging bodies with other centers and gaining position that way

Sounds like he meant outplayed directly by Darko

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

flip singles out nick young, and says criticizes john wall.. BUT says

Lewis and Hinrich ensured that the Wizards were in the game, as both veterans took turns leading comebacks. "Both of them were great," Saunders said. "They both basically kept us in the game and gave us opportunities."

wat a joke!! lewis constantly turns it over, and hinrich is just always getting praise for doing nothing. flip is a big reason we lost, y doesnt he blame himself??? his rotations were once again horrrrrible. on the road in crunch time, THREE GAURD OFFENSE!!! with 2 soft forwards in yi and lewis. of course we lost in the final minutes with that lineup. its a shame flip hasnt been fired yet.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 14, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan09, you're criticism of Hinrich and Lewis is delusional. They both played well. The problem with this team is the same problem that they've always had under EG: they have no inside scoring presence and they are not physical on the interior. Darko, like Cousins, destroyed McGee in the post, and then there is nobody on the bench to back him up.

Nick Young and Wall played awful perimeter defense, and both turned the ball over way too much in this game. Wall, who I think is going to be a fantastic PG as early as next year, did a great job of setting up his teammates, but he was too careless on many possessions, particularly in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 14, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

@ZardsFan1

they played OK/well. but they also make mistakes without flip saying anything and they get minutes no matter wat. in the 4th quarter we should NOT have 3 gaurds and 2 soft forwards. no defense, no rebounding. u need some big men in there.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 14, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"[Javale could] try that in the dunk contest... surprise Brandon Jennings and run on the court and block one of his dunks... or maybe try and block his own dunk. That would be special. Javale could go up for a dunk, block his own dunk, and then dunk it."

Now that I would pay to see.
Posted by: Samson151 the idiot.

Posted by: member8 | January 14, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

If I recall, aside from the Darko's behind the back move for a layup and later the dunk, the Wolves did all their damage from the perimeter, including two bombs from Love. I'm not a fan of the 3 guard offense either, but their lack of stong interior players did not contribute to last night's implosion during the final minutes.

Really, if you accept that Love is going to have a significant impact, then the real difference was Ridenour, who played as if he weren't being defended (Wall). He played a great game.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 14, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

somthings gota change, and i think firing flip would be a good start. need a breathe of fresh air. he hasnt really done anything in washington so far to deserve being the coach after all this. even when we had the whole team together b4 the team was dismantled, flip dint know how to use his players, we had alot of talent but no chemistry, alot of blame should go on flips rotations.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 14, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Sounds like he meant outplayed directly by Darko Posted by: divi3"

Well, we can ask him, can't we? Janitor, which did ya mean?

I know you're always interested in accuracy...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think it's time to make a coaching change. Our team has absolutely no inside presence. Our players are not being developed at all and that is a reflection on the coaching staff. Saunders criticized Wall about leading the team to the finish line but, never criticize the big men and their lack of inside play.

In order to keep Wall beyond his rookie contract, Saunders has to go.

Posted by: carterm1 | January 14, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Samson151 the idiot.
Posted by: member8"

Wow -- looks like I have earned my own personal troll. Not everybody gets a moron of their own to follow them around and drop turds on the sidewalk.

I guess I should be flattered...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Time to relieve Flip of his duties. Its been time. Flip is not a terrible coach but he's not the right one for this team. He shouldn't always criticize his players in through the media. These guys are young and that can stunt their growth mentally. Put some accountability on the vets on this team. Flip hasn't openly criticized Kirk one time this year and he has had ample opportunity to do so. These guys need a teacher. Flip needs a veteran squad.

Posted by: dc202jp | January 14, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I hope they keep pounding on that rock, eventually they might crack it. I was watching with 5 minutes to go I thought "hey, maybe the first road win" but not to happen!

They got to learn to put it in the hole at the end of the game. They're almost always in it until the last quarter or the last few minutes. The defense just broke down. Comon, 15-2 run by timberwolves?

Posted by: boblas | January 14, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young and Wall played awful perimeter defense, and both turned the ball over way too much in this game.
Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 14, 2011 9:22 AM |
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Young and Wall had 2 turnovers a piece in 40+ minutes. Lewis had 4 turnovers in 32min. Hinrich had 3 turnovers in 33min. Hinrich didnt have a terrible game his shots just weren't falling. The whole team played terrible D.

Posted by: dc202jp | January 14, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Did Wall or Hinrich sit in the fourth quarter? Wall and Young played over 40 minutes each. Little surprise that their production collapsed in the last 5 minutes. You can't have only two true point guards (one of whom is also the backup 2 guard). Play Cartier more and bring back Lester Hudson to keep the lineups fresh for the end of the game. This isn't just in the interest of individual games, but also withstanding the grind of the entire season. For 43 minutes, I was very encouraged.

Posted by: audacitea | January 14, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

If only Blatche, that lazy devil had played, we could be blaming for being soft, not covering up for the guards, and not defending the three better - curses, well maybe he will play next game and we can get back to normal.

Posted by: h20law2000 | January 14, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

If only Blatche, that lazy devil had played, we could be blaming for being soft, not covering up for the guards, and not defending the three better - curses, well maybe he will play next game and we can get back to normal.

Posted by: h20law2000 | January 14, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

o yea, another reason flips rotations suck....where was al thortan at the end of the game? he played well. we need more of a traditional lineup vs a whack 3 gaurd offense with 2 soft forwards.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 14, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I am done with Flip Saunders. He sits down and watches a 10-1 Wolves run, he criticizes the one guy who hit a shot (Nick) and he has won now 36 games in nearly a year and a half. Flip, you're fired.

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 14, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

DC202JP, I agree wholeheartedly. The Wizards need to take a page out of the Bobcats playbook and ask Flip to resign. It is apparent he is not getting anything out of these players. His rotations stink and he continuously piss them off by talking about them in the media. I truly believe that we have enough talent to be better than this. I normally attend between 10-15 home games and would religously make sure I was near a television when they played away or when I could not attend but I am now officially on strike and will not attend another home game and will not make it a point to watch them any longer. I feel for Rashard. I bet dude feels like he is in purgatory. Because I am such a fan, I hate to hear the team ridiculed in the printed press and on TV. Right now, we are the laughingstock of the NBA and most if not all teams are resolute in not being the team that loses to the Wiz on their own home court. I personally don't see any positive as the young are not being developed. Before I get jumped on by other posters, this purely MY opinion and MY observation and if there are those who don't agree, that is your right. Anyway.........

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think Flip lost this team a while back. He may be a good coach elsewhere but not with what we have here. The remaining season ticket holders will be leaving in droves....

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 14, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think Flip lost this team a while back. He may be a good coach elsewhere but not with what we have here. The remaining season ticket holders will be leaving in droves....

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 14, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

DC202JP, I agree wholeheartedly. The Wizards need to take a page out of the Bobcats playbook and ask Flip to resign. It is apparent he is not getting anything out of these players. His rotations stink and he continuously piss them off by talking about them in the media. I truly believe that we have enough talent to be better than this. I normally attend between 10-15 home games and would religously make sure I was near a television when they played away or when I could not attend but I am now officially on strike and will not attend another home game and will not make it a point to watch them any longer. I feel for Rashard. I bet dude feels like he is in purgatory. Because I am such a fan, I hate to hear the team ridiculed in the printed press and on TV. Right now, we are the laughingstock of the NBA and most if not all teams are resolute in not being the team that loses to the Wiz on their own home court. I personally don't see any positive as the young are not being developed. Before I get jumped on by other posters, this purely MY opinion and MY observation and if there are those who don't agree, that is your right. Anyway.........

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think Flip lost this team a while back. He may be a good coach elsewhere but not with what we have here. The remaining season ticket holders will be leaving in droves....

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 14, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think Flip lost this team a while back. He may be a good coach elsewhere but not with what we have here. The remaining season ticket holders will be leaving in droves....

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 14, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think Flip lost this team a while back. He may be a good coach elsewhere but not with what we have here. The remaining season ticket holders will be leaving in droves....

Posted by: WestHamUnited | January 14, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I am done with Flip Saunders. He sits down and watches a 10-1 Wolves run, he criticizes the one guy who hit a shot (Nick)

Posted by: WestHamUnited

I may have misunderstood, but I thought he was sort of giving Nick credit there for trying to take and hit the big shots, not criticizing him for missing.

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

SO FRUSTRATING!!!

To watch this team, and see what they can do when all cylinders are clicking, and then see what they DO do when they get thrown off even the smallest amount, it really gets frustrating!

That being said, this is a young team and the rebuilding process is going to be a loooong road. I like the young pieces we are building. If the only good things to come of this season are: one less year of a max contract; john wall getting a year of nba ball under his belt; mcgee improving his defense and confidence; and nick young becoming a legit starting 2 guard - those aren't bad developments!

Posted by: japhy_ryder | January 14, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"I honestly think Flip lost this team a while back. He may be a good coach elsewhere but not with what we have here. The remaining season ticket holders will be leaving in droves....Posted by: WestHamUnited"

LOL did you really need to post this 5 times?

By the way, West Ham United -- they're in trouble again, huh? I hope you're not rooting for them AND the Wiz.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the Wiz hire a proxy team from the NBDL to play the roads games for the current cast of losers. Just have them slip on Wizards road jerseys and collect a league-minimum paycheck.

Posted by: MikeNelmsReturns | January 14, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

How do we know that until we let him try? Booker is a strong dude, and would actually have leverage on Love something he's probably not used to. There was one play towards end of the 2nd where Book clearly bodied Love off the block and was ready to grab the board if it came.

Now that doesnt mean it would have happened all night...but I dont think we should assume the guy we drafted to be a physical, defensive, rebounding PF cant check another PF

Posted by: divi3

They certainly could have tried, but imo, it would not have made much a difference. For that matter, they could have tried Seraphin more, who is bigger and more physical. But Love is averaging 20 and 15 against the league. The 35 pts hurt, but 'holding' him to 11 boards isn't a bad night.

So you can try throwing Booker in there, but it's pick your poison, because the Wizards were struggling on offense too, and Booker is more limited there. Especially when Wall decided he wasn't going to shoot, having Booker in as well down the stretch would put them in even more of a bind than they were already in.

As I said before, Love was great, but I think it was not being able to contain Ridnour that hurt more. McGee's foul trouble hurt more. And getting incredibly tight on offense down the stretch hurt more.

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"If the only good things to come of this season are: one less year of a max contract; john wall getting a year of nba ball under his belt; mcgee improving his defense and confidence; and nick young becoming a legit starting 2 guard - those aren't bad developments!Posted by: japhy_ryder"

I suppose. I still wonder how many of the current roster will be here at the end of next season.

By my (unofficial) count, the Wiz only have 6 players remaining from the 25 who showed up on their '09-'10 roster: Blatche, McGee, Young, Thornton, Josh Howard, and Cartier Martin. The last three were later acquisitions. They added Hinrich, Yi, and R. Lewis to the rotation this season; not at all sure how many will still be here after the off-season.

That's how rebuilds work, at least the major ones. It isn't pretty.

To quote: "Life is pain. Anyone who says different is selling something."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how Wall was attibuted for only 2 turnovers. He had way more than that. I can think of at least 4 in the 4th alone.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 14, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Pitiful performance.
Wizzies rolled over and played like a bad team.
That's because they are bad.
I think the blame has to go to everyone from Teddy on down to the last man on the bench.
When they WANT to they can be competitive with most teams in the league but that only happens occasionally at home and so far never on the road.
The culture has to change.
Don't know how that happens but you can't throw the ball in after a basket to their guy game after game.
Disgusted!

Posted by: VBFan | January 14, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, Kevin doesn't push off on EVERY rebound. But they could at least have called a couple of them, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:21 AM

Now I have to agree with this. I always wondered how he could get so many boards, many without even jumping. I like him as a player and would like him on my team but as you said, to be fair the refs should have called some. He does it a lot.

As far as Flip and the perception of his favortism towards vets and riding the youngs... He could slack up some. It's okay to push the youngs and keep it in there minds that you haven't accomplished much yet but he does this an awful lot. I think even folks that are trying to work with you will eventually tune you out when determine it excessive. You can appear disengenous.

Posted by: gmac78 | January 14, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I may have misunderstood, but I thought he was sort of giving Nick credit there for trying to take and hit the big shots, not criticizing him for missing.

Posted by: ts35 |

That's what I thought too, but it's often hard to understand these snippets that are quoted out of context.

Posted by: nmik | January 14, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"they will try to avoid being the sixth team to start the season with at least 20 road losses."

Wonder what's the NBA record for that?

Go for the record!

Posted by: sagaliba | January 14, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, Kevin doesn't push off on EVERY rebound. But they could at least have called a couple of them, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:21 AM

Now I have to agree with this. I always wondered how he could get so many boards, many without even jumping. I like him as a player and would like him on my team but as you said, to be fair the refs should have called some. He does it a lot.

As far as Flip and the perception of his favortism towards vets and riding the youngs... He could slack up some. It's okay to push the youngs and keep it in there minds that you haven't accomplished much yet but he does this an awful lot. I think even folks that are trying to work with you will eventually tune you out when determine it excessive. You can appear disengenous.

Posted by: gmac78 | January 14, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

As far as Flip and the perception of his favortism towards vets and riding the youngs... He could slack up some. It's okay to push the youngs and keep it in there minds that you haven't accomplished much yet but he does this an awful lot. I think even folks that are trying to work with you will eventually tune you out when determine it excessive. You can appear disengenous.

Posted by: gmac78

Maybe we could turn it into a drinking game. Everyone has to chug a beer every time Flip says Kirk played great. Then we can see who has a liver left at the end of the season.

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, Kevin doesn't push off on EVERY rebound. But they could at least have called a couple of them, right?
Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 8:21 AM

Now I have to agree with this. I always wondered how he could get so many boards, many without even jumping. I like him as a player and would like him on my team but as you said, to be fair the refs should have called some. He does it a lot.
Posted by: gmac78

It bothered me a little, but K Love is starting to get the 'ascending star' treatment.

What bothers me more is that the Wizards seem to be the only team consistently called for moving screens every game. The Fliperazzi will be quick to blame that on bad coaching, but I see the other teams doing the same things or worse and not getting called. Is that a function of being the Wizards, or is there a style of moving pick that refs are less likely to call?

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we could turn it into a drinking game. Everyone has to chug a beer every time Flip says Kirk played great. Then we can see who has a liver left at the end of the season.

Posted by: ts35

I'm with that!

Teddy L. keep the tab open :-)

Posted by: gmac78 | January 14, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

NY hits the 3 to give us the lead with like 5:45 left in the 4th. He doesn't get another shot until 1:45 left in the game. there wasn't a whole lotta good offense run in between those shots. Honestly though I dunno if Love jacks those last 2 3s if Beasley's healthy. The first one seemed like one of those good makes but bad shots, and the second was ridiculous. He put his team on his back last night and folks sholdn't take that away from him. We didn't have a single player match his focus or "intensity" all game long. There may have been things that coulda been done differently, coaching wise, but last night wasn't their night to get that first road win.

i hear a lot about Flip's job being secure, and i suppose that's cool, but how much more losing Flipper? I mean he'll be the coach of the century for turning around this mess. lookin at 3 straight 50 loss seasons ( only 2 are his). If he can get this team back into contention Ted'll let him stay here as long as he wants. But i can't imagine post season success for another 3 seasons, can Flip hang on that long?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 14, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

We have our new team slogan:

KEEP NOPE ALIVE!!"

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young is talented but he smiles too much and is an air head! Blatche is lazy and weak (its evident by his conditioning and high body fat level). We need toughness.

Javale has potential but he has no examples! He is too talented to get outplayed by Darko!! We need Oakley on our coaching staff and promote Sam I Am!!

The team is just taking on the personna of our lackadasical, sleepy eyed head coach! Fire him please and take EG along. I am sick of those two! We need a Shanahan like presence on the sideline!!

Posted by: digger76 | January 14, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

John Wall had an excellent 3rd quarter.
I think Flip could have sat Wall for 3 or 5 mintues in the fourth quarter and brought him back in around the five minute mark. Nick went out briefly near the end of the third and Hinrich came in. When Flip brought Nick back in he could have given Wall a breather. Their is no way John Wall can play every minute in the 3rd and 4th quarters and still maintain the energy he started with in the 3rd quarter.

Posted by: bonggong | January 14, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

To Michael Lee,

One of your best posts. Would appreciate further informed critiques of coaching and upper management, light needs to be shined on this aspect of Wizards' problems.

Whether the issue is individual player mentality individual, group mentality, coaching, or all of the above, late game meltdowns are not just happening on the road. Think Miami and Scaramento.

Martin Weil

Posted by: martinweil | January 14, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"I suppose. I still wonder how many of the current roster will be here at the end of next season."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 11:01 AM

You can pretty much count on Yi, Martin, Howard, and Armstrong being gone. There's a slim chance they may pick up the option on Thornton, but I doubt it. That's a third of the roster right there.

And then there's Nick Young . . .

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It's as simple as this.

It's easier to win at home with the crowd behind you and the comfort of playing in your building.

It takes mental toughness to win on the road. Travel, hostile environment, etc. We don't have that mental toughness!

So where do we look to get that toughness? Maybe Yi, and Shard? How about Javale and Nicki?? Our maybe the rookie PG who is 2 years out of high school?

Posted by: digger76 | January 14, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Is it unreasonable to expect Lewis to do more on the road? He completely disappeared in the last seven minutes. I remember Derek Fisher last year saying that he had to do more on the road for his team, because their bench was so young.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 14, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I also noticed McGee had quite a few rebounds and blocks for the short amount of time he played. It would be good to see him in their at the end of games from time to time.

Posted by: bonggong | January 14, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"I mean he'll be the coach of the century for turning around this mess."

Flip stinks, he just doesn't have it in him. He has to be able to tell his players "Get 'so, and so' the ball." That's what a good coach does, he draws plays to make sure the best players on the floor gets the ball at the end of the game.

I always see Blatche taking 3's and turning the ball over. Last night it was Lewis and Hinrich failing to provide at the end of the game.

John Wall did not take ONE shot in the final 5:45, and for that matter NY only had ONE shot during this time.

Washington's best players are NOT getting the ball at the end of the games and people keep wondering why they lose. Sorry but that's on the coach.

I would love to see Wall demand the ball at the end of the games where he can drive to the hole and draw fouls. At some point he's going to have to do that. He's good enough to do that. When Gilbert was Gilbert, he used to ice games like that all of the time. Go to the hole, get the foul, seal the game. After he wrecked his knee he stopped doing that however.

Flips rotations are horrid to begin with, but you can't fault a player if thier coach can't tell his team who should get the ball at the end if games.

They still have shortcomings on defense and give up too many layups, but offensively people are shooting that shouldn't be. I'm not going to say Wall is the next MJ, but you RARELY saw MJ pass the ball away at the end of the game. And 9 out of 10 times you knew he was going to get the ball.

Flip doesn't do that and while I think Wall is saying the right things, his response to Flips critique above says otherwise. Honestly, I wish Hubie Brown would coach this team. The Wiz need a teacher right now and Flips not that person.

The coach has to make sure everyone is on the right page and Flip doesn't know how to do that. He blames the players. Good ole' Eeyore blames everyone except himself.

Ted please get rid of Flip.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 14, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"We have our new team slogan:
KEEP NOPE ALIVE!!"
Posted by: kalo_rama"

Now that's funny. I'm forwarding it to the RNC, however -- they need it more than we do.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"You can pretty much count on Yi, Martin, Howard, and Armstrong being gone. There's a slim chance they may pick up the option on Thornton, but I doubt it. That's a third of the roster right there."

Yi will still be here, but yeah Thorton is gone and so are those other guys. They are going to look big in the next draft for sure.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 14, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Today seems like pretty typical day-after-another-loss fare -- fire the coach, get rid of the GM, sit this player, play that one -- and about as fact-free as most are.

I guess it's understandable. The need to vent, and all that. Like the saying goes: 'when in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.'

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

@rmcazz,

I agree with what Ray said Ted. Get rid of Flip please.

- Mel

Posted by: carterm1 | January 14, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Flip Saunders has to be the dumbest coach in the league...I mean seriously, he praises Hinrich for everything that he does be it good or bad, but criticizes the young guys for doing the same...What sense does it make to not give Booker more playing time, or making better decisions down the stretch...Nick Young has been the only bright spot for this team all season long...Flip's defensive scheme is ridiculous

Any other coach would do wonders with the talent that this team has, but Flip somehow makes this team even worse...When will Leonsis feel the need to fire Flip? When is enough enough????

Posted by: babycas2000 | January 14, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

@Samson151,

Like the saying goes: 'when in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.'

Too funny.

Posted by: carterm1 | January 14, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Yi will still be here . . ." - Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 14, 2011 12:28 PM

Why?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The effort last night by players like the amazing John Wall was dismal, lazy and pathetic. You have to have desire. Only a few on this team have that consistently. The "just pay me" attitudes have to change.

Posted by: audboy | January 14, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

guys, the last night game is a pure coaching bad habit.Wiz lead by 4 5 minutes before the game was over, time out called and love was inserted in the line up, he was 3 out of 4 from behind the arc in the game, why the coach did not tell some one to stay with him so that he will not get the ball.Other coachs does those things even from the very start of the game.NY was well defended, they keept him out of his range and rhythm.I do not see the diffrence of coaching if such little things that could help you win road games are not practiced.He start to blame wall, wall had a decent game except the poor back court defense.using three gards while there are big men from the opponent tem expanding the floor is a stupid act flip,may be you should have Jm,RL,martin,Booker and JW/KH in the last 5 minutes, that lead would have been protected.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 14, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else peeped how Hinrich is afraid of losing time and his spot to Nick Young? I've seen Hinrich time and time again go to the opposite side of the court from young, or just overlook him and take the shot himself

Bottom line....Flip has to go, he's an idiot that continues to get praised for what he did in Minnesota and Detroit...But it's funny because he never won a ring in either place..He took Minn to the Western Conference Finals, and then turned around and took the team back to the bottom the following year..Flip doesn't know how to work with young talent, and I don't want to hear about Garnett or Marbury lol

Posted by: babycas2000 | January 14, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The effort last night by players like the amazing John Wall was dismal, lazy and pathetic. You have to have desire. Only a few on this team have that consistently. The "just pay me" attitudes have to change.

Posted by: audboy | January 14, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the majority of the commenters here. Flip has done a horrid job of coaching this team. He. Must. Go! The man said earlier in the year that it is not his job to coach effort. So why are we surprised that his team plays with no energy or effort? At least half of his job is to coach effort so obviously he isn't up to performing his duties. Our team is not as bad as they look; they lack direction. I think we should all withold judgement on our players' abilities until they are being coached by a professional with a clue. Flip's postgame comments reflect that he is a poor leader and scapegoater that does not hold himself accountable for these losses. Signed, another season ticket holder that will watch from home until a coaching change is made.

Posted by: ree most | January 14, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Flip needs to stop throwing his players under the bus and take a look in the mirror. The Wiz have never played well under Flip. Management dismantled the team last year and they still have yet to show any sign of life. Flip is a good X's & O's guy but he seems not to be a good motivator or leader. He succeeded in the D-league because he had driven players who were trying to get to the NBA. KG is an exception in the NBA because he is self driven therefore the T-Wolves had success. With the Pistons Flip took over a championship team that was no longer driven and he failed to lead/motivate them. He's coaching style would probably be best served at the collegiate level. This team needs a butt kicking motivating coach, especially one who can develop mentally & physically Blatche, Yi & McGee.

Posted by: Stevie-J | January 14, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree with you more Stevie-J

Well said

Posted by: babycas2000 | January 14, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I've been watching this team since the beginning of the season. I've come to realize there is no "sense of urgency". That is up to the coach and his staff to instill that.

I'm a ticket plan holder and a coaching change is long overdue.

Posted by: carterm1 | January 14, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

sorry gteffra, I just cant get past tthe two turnovers on inbounding the ball to wall. Was he stoned or just lazy. you make the call.

Posted by: audboy | January 14, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Today seems like pretty typical day-after-another-loss fare -- fire the coach, get rid of the GM, sit this player, play that one -- and about as fact-free as most are."

what other 'fact' do you need then 0-19 on the road?

Posted by: spoooooooon | January 14, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Babycas,

i noticed that too. there was a play that actually ended in a three point play where Kirk dribbled around for 12 seconds trying to avoid passing the ball to Nick. it was laugable, obvious and pathetic at the same time.

Posted by: ree most | January 14, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't think a lot of people are aware that Wall is nowhere near 100% But he's a competitor thats going to try to play no matter what...Just look at the Sac game the other night when Jeter went right past Wall, and Wall didn't even try and stop him...It's because he couldn't, he doesn't have his burst, and can't make all the cuts that he's used to making

Posted by: babycas2000 | January 14, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Flip's future, I'm guessing Ted and Ernie G aren't so much looking at wins and losses, but whether the team is getting better and showing steady improvement. That's why a few days ago so much was made out of the claim the team's defense is better. Another guess is they are giving Flip a full season to show that improvement. Unless they lose 15 straight (home and away), I doubt they will fire Flip in mid-season. But if they finish the year without getting significantly better, Flip is gone.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 14, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@jweber1,

In regards to firing Flip at the end of the season, I hoping you're wrong.

Posted by: carterm1 | January 14, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The fact Conley is playing better doesn't mean he's worth more than the midlevel (which won't even exist in the new CBA) for half a decade. from recent Hollinger chat

Getting rid of the MLE is something that all the owners, other than Miami's, should be able to agree on. This could make some of the Wizards players more valuable prior to the trade deadline as teams try to lockup assets to be re-signed using Bird rights. Something to look forward to with the trade deadline a little over a month away.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 14, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

What bothers me more is that the Wizards seem to be the only team consistently called for moving screens every game.

I was thinking the same and it is really infuriating. Does Stern know Gilbert is no longer here and he can rescind lift the refs hate us memo?

It was ridiculous last night, Darko and their other Big steamroll guys and don't get called for moving whereas Javale gets it on his very 1st screen of the night. Come on

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

KH was serviceable in the 4thQ and Lewis was utterly invisible, every player on the team knows that as does every fan watching the game. Flip calling the vets "great" is just the canned response he's going to have at all times to pretty much any question.

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ernie Grunfeld is not going to fire his buddy Flip unless Leonsis makes him. And then he will try and persuade Leonsis to keep him. Heck, EJ was fired for losing less games then Flip. I thought it was awful strange that Flip was at the summer camp with Eddie the season he was fired. Now I know why, EJ planned on Flip being coach and just wanted to familiarize Flip with the players so that when Eddies was fired Flip could move right in. Flip has had almost two seasons of losing and he is not on the hot seat?? I find that unbelievable. And I am sorry, what I see on the court when the Wiz play is ineptness, not rebuilding. Leonsis wants to compare what is happening here to what went down in OKC and I am not buying it. This team sucks from the rooter to the tooter! They are awful with enough bursts of brilliance to lull you into believing we have something when in reality, what we see is what we got.

It is unbearable listening to Barkely and crew laughing and making fun of the Wiz. Webber used to try and take up for the team but even he succumbed to the

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

That's how rebuilds work, at least the major ones. It isn't pretty.

To quote: "Life is pain. Anyone who says different is selling something."

Posted by: Samson151
--------------------
Yeah, Duh! You are. Sampson151 VP Marketing Wiz. Weak stuff ... that's what you are.

Posted by: member8 | January 14, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say even Webber has succumbed to the jokes. Know what they Kenny, Barkely and crew call the Wiz and their play? Gar..bage. They skip over the games that the Wiz play by just saying same ole, same ole. It is embarassing and because I am/was such die hard Wiz fan, that crap hurts :-) For the last three or so years, every year, around this time the refrain is, next year is the year. Yeah right! Quit trading players and get a damn coach in here! Sorry for the rant.

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

hinrich was terrible and has been all year. what is FLOP saunders talking about?

Posted by: slick3 | January 14, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Kenny and CWebb were doing imitations of Chuck last night that were hilarious....but yeah, best not watch them when the Wiz are the subject

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

You are so correct divi3 :-)

As I sit here and cry into my 2006-07 playoff towel. Oh woe is me or or woe is the Wiz :(

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

My favorite part of Webber critiquing the Wiz is when he gets on them for their lack of interior scoring, their lack of D and their lack of clutch play. Because C-Webb is the expert in those areas!

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"I've been watching this team since the beginning of the season. I've come to realize there is no "sense of urgency". "

Posted by: carterm1 | January 14, 2011 1:04 PM

You just now realized that? Hell, I could have told you that before the season even started. (Actually, I may have.)

This is a team in the first year of a major rebuilding effort, a season after they dynamited the entire roster. They've got a first-year owner, a roster full of young players, and their most important player is a rookie.

What, exactly, do they have to be "urgent" about?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Webber used to try and take up for the team . . . "

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 1:58 PM

When did that happen? Because I don't recall Webber ever having anything nice to say about the franchise since it booted him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

What, exactly, do they have to be "urgent" about?

Posted by: kalo_rama

Not getting their asses handed to them on a nightly basis.

Even as young as they are, you would hope competitively, getting routinely embarrassed would bother them. One aspect of this year's rebuilding that may prove to be an immediate success is determining which guys care enough about winning (or hate losing).

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Today seems like pretty typical day-after-another-loss fare -- fire the coach, get rid of the GM, sit this player, play that one -- and about as fact-free as most are."

what other 'fact' do you need then 0-19 on the road?

Posted by: spoooooooon | January 14, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

spoooooooon

Now why would you want to bring up a fact?

You'll make Samson respond without one which will be "rebuild"

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 14, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"Not getting their asses handed to them on a nightly basis."

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 3:00 PM

Except they aren't "getting their asses handed to them on a nightly basis" are they? Yes, they're losing a lot, but they're playing teams close, more often than not. That's how the process (and it is a process) works. First you get blown out a lot, then you get better and keep it close, then you start winning some of the close ones. The Wizards are in somewhere in step 2.

"One aspect of this year's rebuilding that may prove to be an immediate success is determining which guys care enough about winning (or hate losing)."

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 3:00 PM

Also part of the process.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I have seen him on plenty of occasions try to say something nice about the Wizards only to be talked over by Barkley who hates this organization. That was last season. Now, when they start bashing the Wiz, I just change the channel. So maybe we were watching on different days or different times because I have never really seen him just out and out diss the Wizards. I haven't. I will give him that.

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Except they aren't "getting their asses handed to them on a nightly basis" are they? Yes, they're losing a lot, but they're playing teams close, more often than not.

27th worst point differential in the league and 0-19 on the road, they are still firmly in Step 0

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If something drastic does not occur with this team, we will be right back at this point next year saying the same things that we said at this point last year. Ground Hog day. Different day same bull. My opinion only.

Posted by: ivyleague | January 14, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If something drastic does not occur with this team, we will be right back at this point next year saying the same things that we said at this point last year.

Yi, Thornton, Howard, and probably Armstrong will all be gone. Just hope EG doesnt sign some retread vets who will immediately be given burn over Booker/Seraphin as they'll only be 2nd year players. And if we lose Nick, we'll be looking at needing a legit SG in addition to whatever plans they had for our high draft pick.

Some progress has to be shown this season, this team barely runs plays.

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

If ted wants to be like OKC that means flip has one more year before they get good. P.J. Carlesimo was fired in his second year with OKC thunder. Considering how the gun thing wasn't flip's fault and only blatche and young remain from last year i guess the starting point of this group was this preseason. If by this time next year the wizards suck after a second lottery pick then its time to fire him after a "fair shot"

I think if Nate Macmillan, Larry Brown, Mike woodson is still on the market they would be great here

Posted by: jefferu | January 14, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"27th worst point differential in the league and 0-19 on the road, they are still firmly in Step 0"

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 3:22 PM

As usual, a "response" that manages to avoid actually responding to anything.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

We have 11 more road games lost to break the record below:

Most consecutive road games lost, start of season
29 Dallas (11/10/92 - 3/13/93)

The good news, i doubt we'll break this record below:

Most consecutive road games lost
43 Sacramento (11/21/90 - 11/22/91)
(37 gms in 1990-91; 6 gms in 1991-92)

Posted by: demonj21 | January 14, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I'll probably change my mind 5 more times, but right now I'd like to see Yi back for another year. McGee, Seraphin and Booker are the only bigs that will be back for sure, so Yi offers a different skill set, and a one year deal for him isn't that much. Of course, if Blatche is still on the team or if they draft another center, then there isn't really much of a point of keeping him.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 14, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

As usual, a "response" that manages to avoid actually responding to anything.

You said that we're playing teams close, we're not. Looks like we had a little dead cat action upon trading Gil, but the defense is once again atrocious and the road woes continue. It's not part of the supposed process until you can see something starting to take shape, or a clear direction being taken. Right now the team simply stinks on most every level, with exception of Nick finally being a legit SG....but in his contract year. Also some progress from Javale, though many would debate that point

Posted by: divi3 | January 14, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If ted wants to be like OKC that means flip has one more year before they get good. P.J. Carlesimo was fired in his second year with OKC thunder. Considering how the gun thing wasn't flip's fault and only blatche and young remain from last year i guess the starting point of this group was this preseason. If by this time next year the wizards suck after a second lottery pick then its time to fire him after a "fair shot"

I think if Nate Macmillan, Larry Brown, Mike woodson is still on the market they would be great here

Posted by: jefferu | January 14, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Except they aren't "getting their asses handed to them on a nightly basis" are they?
Posted by: kalo_rama

More of a bit of hyperbole on my part for effect, something you are prone to yourself. At the same time, one would hope at 0-19 on the road, a little more urgency might kick in.

That's how the process (and it is a process) works. First you get blown out a lot, then you get better and keep it close, then you start winning some of the close ones. The Wizards are in somewhere in step 2.

Yeah, except that process doesn't happen organically by itself, like it's an acorn growing into a mighty oak. Effort has to be expended in order to progress. Organizations, teams, players, have to commit to doing the things it takes to take those steps forward. Players showing urgency is part of it.

That being said, I thought the urgency should have kicked in earlier in the game. It seemed like they would coast through stretches, get behind, work they way back into it, then relax again. It's like they consciously or subconsciously decide to try to keep it close and win it late. Hopefully they'll come to realize that that is not their strong suit.

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Investing so much in Wall especially him being the premier ball handler and him missing a lot of time has a lot to do with horrendous record. This is in the midst of the "true" first year of the rebuild.

I place a portion of this on Flip. I think there are things that he could do better and I think they should have won a few more games by now. Should have won at least one road game by now but ultimately it is a process and I knew it would be something like this.

Come on folks, this is Washington D.C. !

Nothing comes easy!

Posted by: gmac78 | January 14, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"what other 'fact' do you need then 0-19 on the road?Posted by: spoooooooon"

10-8 at home?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Right now the team simply stinks on most every level, with exception of Nick finally being a legit SG....but in his contract year"

I take it you don't agree that Nick took last night off?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Also some progress from Javale, though many would debate that pointPosted by: divi3"

I think Javale has made clear progress. In his 3rd season, up from 16 to 28 minutes a game, improved in many areas -- not bad for someone playing out of position at center. If he weren't plagued by unreasonable expectations, it would be easier to project a likely future for him.

He had a definite hot streak there for a while, but now he's regressed some. If he could make some sort of breakthrough -- develop a reliable shot, become a prime rebounder -- then his stock would just shoot up. I suspect he'll always be the sort to make the occasional bonehead error, but so was Chris Webber. Ask the Michigan fan base.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

People Please.

I watched a young team come close to winning with about 5 minutes left in the game. I then watched the timberwolves starting to make a comeback . I saw Nick hit a big 3 pointer and I started to think maybe, just maybe we have a chance. Then I watched R. Lewis miss a easy open shot and K Hinrach dribble the ball off his legs or throw the ball away. I know we ca't trade lewis right now, but we might be able to ship KH out and get a little value. I hear the Heat are looking for a PG, I just don't know how the salaries would work. I would love to get pittman for some toughness though.

Posted by: specialg7master | January 14, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"I think if Nate Macmillan, Larry Brown, Mike woodson is still on the market they would be great here"

Posted by: jefferu


Larry Brown is another coach living off of what he's done in the past instead of what he's doing now...He did to the Bobcats exactly what Flip is doing to the Wiz right now...Paul Silas has the Bobcats on a 4 game win streak and is 6-2 since taking over the team when Larry Brown couldn't cut it...A lot of these coaches that are living off of what they've accomplished in the past can't do anything with a team that needs to be developed, they need teams like the Celtics, Lakers, Hawks, etc with the team already in place with veterans to run it

So with all that said, im not too sure who I would want the Wiz next head coach to be, all I know is that I want a coach that can help and develop the youth, as well as motivate them...Lets just hope that Leonsis doesn't keep Flip around too much longer..He's already hurting the youth development

Posted by: babycas2000 | January 14, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, except that process doesn't happen organically by itself, like it's an acorn growing into a mighty oak. Effort has to be expended in order to progress. Organizations, teams, players, have to commit to doing the things it takes to take those steps forward."

Did I say anything that could be reasonably interpreted as believing it was an "organic" process that required no effort? No. So . . . another nonresponsive "response" then?

"Players showing urgency is part of it."

Posted by: ts35 | January 14, 2011 4:16 PM

And how does a player "show urgency"? What does urgency look like? It's an ephemeral phrase with no measurable dynamic. Something some fan heard a coach say and started repeating it.

The fact that they haven't started winning cannot be logically interpreted as them not caring about or wanting to win. They aren't losing because they lack "urgency." They're losing because they haven't yet figured out how to win. And figuring that out is a part of the ongoing process of rebuilding a team. Getting anxious about it isn't going to make it happen faster (and, if anything, it's likely to impede the process).

If they walked around with their faces scrunched up, stomping their feet on the way to bench would that make you feel better about them losing?


Posted by: kalo_rama | January 14, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"Paul Silas has the Bobcats on a 4 game win streak and is 6-2 since taking over the team when Larry Brown couldn't cut it..posted by babycas2000"

Paul's a longtime favorite of mine but you know he's going to be 68 years old this summer, right? Meaning he's probably not the long term solution in Charlotte. Any more than Larry (age 70) was.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"And how does a player "show urgency"? What does urgency look like?"

LOL it's a phrase normally associated with elementary school students waiting for a bathroom break.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 14, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The so called sense of urgency is simply the team not wanting to play for Flip...How can a team go all out for a coach that throws the team under the bus after each loss instead of owning up to his own mistakes?!? Flip's an idiot, and I can't wait to see him go

Posted by: babycas2000 | January 14, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

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