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Posted at 8:06 AM ET, 02/ 7/2011

"Small margin of error," difficult schedule adds up to losing streak

By Michael Lee
Morning brew

The Wizards have lost a season-high eight in a row and 10 of their past 11 games, and now the team is closer to catching the Cleveland Cavaliers for the worst record in the Eastern Conference than the eighth playoff spot. After the Wizards lost to the Atlanta Hawks, 99-92, on Saturday, Andray Blatche was asked how the team is dealing with all of the losing.

"The main part is try not to think about it, try to keep your head straight," Blatche said.

Coach Flip Saunders tried to explain the challenges that the Wizards face, especially when matched up against better teams. The Wizards were able to record wins against Boston and Utah, but only two of their past 11 opponents have losing records.

"It's a matter of improvement and competing," Saunders said, "and in some of the games we competed overall. In some of the games, we had some lapses. Against a good team, when you have a lapse, then what happens is you're going to lose. Missed calls, you have to be able to overcome those. When you have a small margin of error, they become more difficult."

The Wizards (13-37) will return to practice on Monday after a much-needed day off following the completion of their fifth consecutive set of back-to-back games, a grueling stretch that 13-year-veteran Rashard Lewis had never experienced before.

"Naw. Not at all. I think that's why my knees are really bothering me," said Lewis, who has been dealing with tendinitis in his knees. "It's really tough on back-to-back games, just feel like I have no lift. Feel like I'm a step slow with everything I do. This stretch as been tough on not only me, but everybody. Good thing, we're through it and hopefully, we can start winning ball games."

The Wizards, who have the fourth-worst record in the league, won't play until they host Milwaukee on Wednesday, but they are more eager to know what it feels like to win again, having failed to post a victory since beating Boston on Jan. 22. "It's tough," John Wall said. "Not really losing too many games in my career. I knew coming into this level, sometimes you're going to lose games, sometimes you're going to win games. It's a rebuilding process for us."

With 32 games remaining, Saunders said the team has to keep in perspective that the team is building toward something beyond this season. "We have players that have the ability that they might be really good players in two years. You're trying to give them the ability to work through things and try to learn on the fly to do things and not have to pull them on every mistake. You want to try not to do that. However, are we going to have to do that? I don't know. For the last 30 games, maybe, but you'd hope that they would learn and they would understand that."

FROM THE POST
A day after losing to the Orlando Magic on Friday in Gilbert Arenas's much-anticipated return to Verizon Center, the Wizards fell to the Atlanta Hawks. One highlight of Saturday's game was Al Thornton's posterization of Zaza Pachulia.

Thornton is struggling to find his role with the Wizards, and he didn't deny that the anger behind that dunk was partly the result of his diminished role and lack of playing time in recent weeks.

Meanwhile, rookie Trevor Booker is learning how to play small forward.

And Arenas was served with child support and custody papers as he left the court during halftime of the Magic's loss to Miami on Thursday night.

AROUND THE WEB
Jon Kelman offers his keys to the palace (Bullets Forever).

Ken Berger says time is running out for the Orlando Magic, and troubling questions surround Dwight Howard and Gilbert Arenas (CBSSports.com).

Adrian Wojnarowski weighs in on Arenas's future with the Magic (Yahoo!Sports).

By Michael Lee  | February 7, 2011; 8:06 AM ET
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Comments


Ernest Grunfeld is on the case. Nothing to see here, folks.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | February 7, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Indiana goes 4 and O since owner fired the coach.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand what this has to do with the Wizards though...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I've been following Charlotte a little bit since Paul Silas took over. The Bobcats started strong but have tailed off somewhat. The key to that team is Stephen Jackson -- his acquisition was the main reason they made the playoffs last year, and he's been the key to that team this season too. But Silas is beginning to have the same problems with him that Larry Brown did. Now his name's come up in trade rumors for Artest.

Here's a link if anyone's interested --
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jY7-uSJtZCIei3zXAmbhg93a6ziw?docId=5872841

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Title: "Small margin of error," .
Sub Title: "Small mind of ernie,"

and this is where we are, in the losing culture created by ernie grunfeld.
TLG = Ted Lose Grunfeld.

Posted by: member8 | February 7, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Indiana goes 4 and O since owner fired the coach.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand what this has to do with the Wizards though...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU - Translation is the Pacers hired Frank Vogel as their new head coach. Here is the important part. Frank Vogel is 37 years old. He is now the youngest coach in the league.

What Mr. Larry in Clinton is trying to say is the Pacers are now 4 and 0. It is noted Larry Bird grew tried of Jim O'Brien's old school ways and tough love on all of the young players the Pacers now have (i.e. The Wiz).

Now what does that mean when it relates to the Wiz? Time for a change. Sam Cassell is the man to make that change with. Who cares about letting it ride with Flip and getting the worse record and having a better chance for the #1 pick???

Again, there is no clear cut #1 pick like the last two years (i.e. Blake G. and John W.). Ernie has to realize it is time for a change and he is going to have to cut ties with his boy Flip. Ernie/Ted Larry Bird is the one who selected O'Brian ok.

So please note Larry did not have a problem "cutting loose" his boy for the betterment of the team. Bird realized he made a mistake and he corrected it. EG please follow suit. Time for a change......

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The Ken Berger cutaway brings a very interesting slant on Van Gundys coaching perspective. In the recent loss to the Celts, all of his perimeter players played badly.

Arenas was an ofur' first time in career and Turk was 1-9.

But this is what Van Gundy said. First of all, he refused to criticize/call out his players. He indicated that the perimeter play was bad all around and that was unusual. For all of them to have bad games, he said he needed to look at doing things differently, and making sure that he and the coaching was putting his perimeter players in the best situations to perform better.

He talked about the time left to make sure that the Team was better defensively come playoff time.

It was a positive outlook on how he would approach a current exascerbating scoring and defensive situation.

I bring this out, for here is a coach clearly indicating that the Teams play is something that coaching can do something about. Unlike rounds here mostly, where the players take a hugh amount of criticism and those same critics say that Flip isn't the reason for their poor play.

Now surely, you can't blame Flip for all the bad play, but it is astounding why so many are willing to give him a pass and indicate it isn't at fault as well.

The point is simply you cannot separate the Teams poor play from the coaching in this case. This Team collectively, the Players and Coach should be performing better.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Come on Ted. Time to make it happen if EG is not willing too..........

Sam Cassell Bio:
1/ Has 3 RINGS (3 RINGS......!!!)
2/ He played in the league for 15 years for 8 Teams. (Guess how many coaches he has had a chance to learn from?)
3/ He is a NBA All Star and All NBA Team member.
4/ He played with at least 7 bona-fided HOF's during the duration of his career.
5/ He played the point guard position. That is like playing the quarterback on your football team.
6/ Sam had to know everybody's position including his own. He was the timemanager on the floor and the play setup man. What better "under fire" experience can somebody have????

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hey BulletsFan78, look in your rearview mirror, that would be Dem' Dar' Tarheels. We are back baby and we got Duke this week coming to make our splash on National TV.

Thangs' are lookin' up down on Tabacco Road.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"What better "under fire" experience can somebody have????"

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:02 AM

Having actually coached a game?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU - Translation is the Pacers hired Frank Vogel as their new head coach. Here is the important part. Frank Vogel is 37 years old. He is now the youngest coach in the league.

What Mr. Larry in Clinton is trying to say is the Pacers are now 4 and 0. It is noted Larry Bird grew tried of Jim O'Brien's old school ways and tough love on all of the young players the Pacers now have (i.e. The Wiz).

Now what does that mean when it relates to the Wiz? Time for a change. Sam Cassell is the man to make that change with. Who cares about letting it ride with Flip and getting the worse record and having a better chance for the #1 pick???

Again, there is no clear cut #1 pick like the last two years (i.e. Blake G. and John W.). Ernie has to realize it is time for a change and he is going to have to cut ties with his boy Flip. Ernie/Ted Larry Bird is the one who selected O'Brian ok.

So please note Larry did not have a problem "cutting loose" his boy for the betterment of the team. Bird realized he made a mistake and he corrected it. EG please follow suit. Time for a change......

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards and Pacers are NOTHING alike. O'Brien was there for 4 years and compiled a 121-169 record...with a team that was expected to be in the playoffs. Not a team that's 50 games into a rebuild.

I mean wins over Toronto, New Jersey, Portland and Cleveland are great on that resume aren't they?

Firing O'Brien makes plenty of sense...but then again it wouldn't hurt to lose Larry Bird either.

I thought the players hated Flip...that was the big thing two weeks ago. Sure doesn't sound like that from what they've BEEN saying this week.

Guess that doesn't matter though.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"It is noted Larry Bird grew tried of Jim O'Brien's old school ways and tough love on all of the young players the Pacers now have (i.e. The Wiz). posted by bulletsfever"

Another view is that Herb Simon ordered Larry to fire O'Brien. Bird admits he met with Simon just a couple weeks previously and told him he thought O'Brien was OK to continue to the end of the season. Bird may not have liked his coach's use of Paul George or his criticism of Hibbert, but that's usually not enough reason to replace him. Easier to just call O'Brien in and tell him what to do different -- the ordinary process for supervisor and employee.

The decision to put young Frank Vogel in place sounds like something come up with at the last moment. Simon's made no secret of his fondness for Mike Brown, who's still the local favorite for the job next season -- sans Bird.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I could not have answered it better BulletsFever. The point was obvious. I guess for those that just don't get just how important coaching is, it might not be obvious to them.

But SDMDSTU is a coach, I believe he said at one time here recently. I am sure that he feels that his coaching does matter and is a measureable influence.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Here's how it goes in a well-managed NBA organization: the GM calls the coach in and says, "Jim, lighten up on Hibbert, willya? I'm sick of you riding his butt. The kid's talkin' about seeing a shrink, for pete's sake. And play that top draft choice of ours, Paul George. It ain't like we got anybody else on the bench who can shoot. And no excuses. The owner's ridin' MY butt. Must think building shopping malls is good prep for running an NBA franchise. But it's his money."

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

What better "under fire" experience can somebody have????"

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:02 AM

Having actually coached a game?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Kalo - Long time.... Too bad we can not battle over Haywood and Ed "The Waterboy Coach" Tapscott coaching rotations. However, always great to be the receipt of your A+ cerebral insight and one of a kind "coach speak" philosphy. Wiz management would love you.....

Now back to your post, yes you are right on your statement. However Ernie or Ted can not use that as an excuse on why not to pull the trigger on the idea of sliding Sam in as head coach. The time is now. Put the "interim" tag on him (i.e. Frank Vogel and the Pacers) and give him the remaining 32 games and then that will give him his "under fire" experience.

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"I could not have answered it better BulletsFever." LarryInClintonMD.Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

That's true, but it doesn't make much sense when you say it, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

What better "under fire" experience can somebody have????"

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:02 AM

Having actually coached a game?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Kalo - Long time.... Too bad we can not battle over Haywood and Ed "The Waterboy Coach" Tapscott coaching rotations anymore. However, always great to be the receipt of your A+ cerebral insight and one of a kind "coach speak" philosphy. Wiz management would love you.....

Now back to your post, yes you are right on your statement. However Ernie or Ted can not use that as an excuse on why not to pull the trigger on the idea of sliding Sam in as head coach. The time is now. Put the "interim" tag on him (i.e. Frank Vogel and the Pacers) and give him the remaining 32 games and then that will give him his "under fire" experience.

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"However Ernie or Ted can not use that as an excuse on why not to pull the trigger on the idea of sliding Sam in as head coach. "

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:32 AM

I'm pretty sure they can. (I'm also pretty sure they don't actually need an "excuse.")

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Another view is that Herb Simon ordered Larry to fire O'Brien. Bird admits he met with Simon just a couple weeks previously and told him he thought O'Brien was OK to continue to the end of the season. Bird may not have liked his coach's use of Paul George or his criticism of Hibbert, but that's usually not enough reason to replace him. Easier to just call O'Brien in and tell him what to do different -- the ordinary process for supervisor and employee.

The decision to put young Frank Vogel in place sounds like something come up with at the last moment. Simon's made no secret of his fondness for Mike Brown, who's still the local favorite for the job next season -- sans Bird.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:25 AM

According to Bird himself, the decision to fire O'Brien was his. He says he met with the owner and was basically told to do what he thought was best.

From the Bird's own beak:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/nba/2011/01/30/20110130_ind_bird_presser.NBA/index.html

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I could not have answered it better BulletsFever. The point was obvious. I guess for those that just don't get just how important coaching is, it might not be obvious to them.

But SDMDSTU is a coach, I believe he said at one time here recently. I am sure that he feels that his coaching does matter and is a measureable influence.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I do coach. I'm aware coaching matters. I'm also aware that TEACHING doesn't always show up immediately in the win column. You say coaching is measurable and I agree. The question is what are you measuring? Wins? That doesn't make much sense. Are they getting better? I see some improvement.

Of course since you say players don't get better on their own...and I backed you into this corner once already...it would have to be the coaching right? Or did they eat some magic beans and get better.

If you're going to be against all things Flip and Hinrich...you can't ignore the things that make them look good. When players get better under Flip...it's not because of anything him or the coaching staff does...it's magic. When something bad happens...you're ready to type paragraphs on "structured spontaneity"

Come on Larry....

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I thought the players hated Flip...that was the big thing two weeks ago. Sure doesn't sound like that from what they've BEEN saying this week.

Guess that doesn't matter though.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 11:23 AM

I think these players realize that if you ain't drinking the Flip water, you will not see any type of court time.

I think the players are hugely smart in realizing that in order to solve the problem you have to be with the program.

So on-board. They all are with Flip's system and the things he says, but yet things still don't get any better. Who will the light shine on the most if everyone is on message but we still are breaking records for futility.

The messenger IMB. I think the players realize this is the quickest way to get Flip outahere' and also it bodes well for them in the meantime.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"I think these players realize that if you ain't drinking the Flip water, you will not see any type of court time."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:42 AM

I think pretty much every player in the NBA (or any other league) realizes that if you don't buy into the coach's plan, then they're not going to see a lot of court time. That's pretty much sports 101. Any player who thinks he can mutiny against the coach and still expect to be at the top of the rotation is either an idiot or a superstar. And there ain't no superstars on the Wizards' roster.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"According to Bird himself, the decision to fire O'Brien was his."

I know. I'm just pointing out that it sounds to me like spin. And why it sounds to me like spin.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I mean wins over Toronto, New Jersey, Portland and Cleveland are great on that resume aren't they?

Firing O'Brien makes plenty of sense...but then again it wouldn't hurt to lose Larry Bird either.

I thought the players hated Flip...that was the big thing two weeks ago. Sure doesn't sound like that from what they've BEEN saying this week.

Guess that doesn't matter though.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU - First the 4 wins you mentioned over those sub-500 teams are still what you called them, "WINS". You would be hard pressed to see the Wiz beat "any" of those teams right now with Flip leading the way.

As for the players hating on Flip, you better best believe you have not heard anything like that anymore because Ernie had a "heart to heart" behind closed door conversation with the folks who might have been letting that out in the media. Remember, where there is smoke there is almost always fire. EG has to protect his invest and his butt at the same time.

And to expand on your point about the Pacers owner wanting O'Brian gone a long time ago, that might be true but do we want that to happen here also with EG and Flip? Looks like Bird tried to protect him way to long (i.e. EG and Flip).

Now I must admit you said a name that I would not mine if the Wiz do not go with Sam. That would be Mike Brown. He comes from that "defensive school" of coaching and I believe he is still in his 30's. Plus he has "under fire" experience. Although I still would rather have Sam in there.......

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Ted would never fire Flip now, it costs too much money.

Posted by: divi3 | February 7, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

So on-board. They all are with Flip's system and the things he says, but yet things still don't get any better. Who will the light shine on the most if everyone is on message but we still are breaking records for futility.

The messenger IMB. I think the players realize this is the quickest way to get Flip outahere' and also it bodes well for them in the meantime.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

So they're smart enough to know that losing while pretending to be on board with Flip is the easiest way to get rid of him...but aren't smart enough to set a proper pick or guard a pick and roll correctly.

I get it now.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

You know SDMDTSU, my arguments are as simple and as complex as they can be at times. Now, just to be clear, I've never said that players don't get better on their own, and I certainly don't remember being backed into a corner about it with anyone.

Where'd you pull that from?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU - First the 4 wins you mentioned over those sub-500 teams are still what you called them, "WINS". You would be hard pressed to see the Wiz beat "any" of those teams right now with Flip leading the way.
They already have beaten those teams.

As for the players hating on Flip, you better best believe you have not heard anything like that anymore because Ernie had a "heart to heart" behind closed door conversation with the folks who might have been letting that out in the media. Remember, where there is smoke there is almost always fire. EG has to protect his invest and his butt at the same time.

Oh okay...how was that talk since you were there for it? All I'm saying is he's 50 games into coaching a team full of young players. Complaining about results now is pretty damn dumb to me. Like I've said people watch and look for different things than I do.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The near-constant complaint we heard from some folks on this blog during the first third of the season were:

1. Start Nick.
2. Sit Kirk.
3. Put Javale in for defense
4. Booker and Seraphin were bad picks.

Aside from the obvious contribution from Booker, I should point that Nick starts, Kirk comes off the bench, and Javale averages nearly 27 minutes and 2.4 blocks.

And the Wiz still lose. A lot.

So I guess all that's left for those posters is to accelerate their push to get Flip fired...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"I know. I'm just pointing out that it sounds to me like spin. And why it sounds to me like spin."

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:48 AM

Bird's never struck me as a guy who went in for "spin." If you watch the video, he seems (and always has seemed, in his public comments, going back to his playing days) like a guy with a low tolerance for BS.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

So they're smart enough to know that losing while pretending to be on board with Flip is the easiest way to get rid of him...but aren't smart enough to set a proper pick or guard a pick and roll correctly.

I get it now.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 11:54 AM

Don't bite on that one too hard SD, for what I think the players think is all conjecture/a guess on my part on this one.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The near-constant complaint we heard from some folks on this blog during the first third of the season were:

1. Start Nick.
2. Sit Kirk.
3. Put Javale in for defense
4. Booker and Seraphin were bad picks.

Aside from the obvious contribution from Booker, I should point that Nick starts, Kirk comes off the bench, and Javale averages nearly 27 minutes and 2.4 blocks.

And the Wiz still lose. A lot.

So I guess all that's left for those posters is to accelerate their push to get Flip fired...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 11:59 AM

Samson151, Really, don't hurt yourself trying to sum up your opposers viewpoints so succinctly.

We didn't ask, nor do we certainly feel that you would actually get it right.

Stick with your own viewpoints. You do just fine with those over there.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"Samson151, Really, don't hurt yourself trying to sum up your opposers viewpoints so succinctly."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2011 12:10 PM

If inaccurately summarizing the opinions of those who disagree with you were actually a source of physical injury, we can only assume you're doing all your posting while in traction, from a bed in the IC ward.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Larry...half the year was arguments on how coaching is the problem, and people saying it's up to the players to get better vs. the organization and coaches to foster it. You made it clear what side you were on. To when this exchange happened:

You see guys what a little more good coaching can achieve.

My father always said to me, "Son, you can get a lot more with honey than you can with vinegar." But Flip likes the vineger approach with McGee.

However, I would not be surprised to see some say that Flip is right to use that approach with young players. Some are already giving him credit for Young's improved play with that approach.

All in all though with McGee, would you think that Odom might agree that McGee's play so far this season is pretty impressive for him just being a Run and Jump guy???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 5, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

So...Nick credits Flip for his improved play. Obviously you aren't buying that. Nick gets better under Flip and his terrible coaching staff that can't develop players...so what does that mean...did he improve HIMSELF?

I can't wait to see you try to write one of those paragraphed novels to pull yourself out of this one...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 5, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

...those paragraphed novels to pull yourself out of this one...

Very good SDMDTSU, very good. Great sense of humor on that one and good point as well.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 5, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Just couldn't bring yourself to give Flip any credit huh?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 7, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert post a 0 in the points column yesterday.

I love Gil, but SO glad we're not deal with his drama anymore.

And for the record I would rather see Sam Cassell start with a clean slate if he where moved into the HC position. Rather than taking over halfway through.

When was the last time the Wiz made a mid season coach change that made a difference? Some people on this blog expectation for this team are way off. They are clearly rebuilding and I do not get caught up with this years win loss totals.

It did not work in 2008 with Tapscott, 99 with Darrell Walker or 1998 with Jim Brovelli. You can argue it worked in 96 Bickerstaff, 87 Unseld and 85 Loughery but those where .500 team fighting to get in the playoffs. This year team is clearly not a playoff team.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 7, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"This year team is clearly not a playoff team.Posted by: dcinmd1"

No it isn't. And if they somehow made it, it would mean there was something seriously wrong with the playoff system.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"And for the record I would rather see Sam Cassell start with a clean slate if he where moved into the HC position. Rather than taking over halfway through."

I think that as a head coach, Sam would make a good assistant. He was basically brought in to work with Wall. So far, that's what he's done. Putting him in a head coach position at this point would be even worse than making a QB coach like, say, Jim Zorn, head of the Redskins.

And who'd be dumb enough to do that?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Samson151, Really, don't hurt yourself trying to sum up your opposers viewpoints so succinctly."LarryInClintonMD.Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

I was only trying to help. And you have to admit, it's the first time anything you said has ever been described as 'succinct'.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"No it isn't. And if they somehow made it, it would mean there was something seriously wrong with the playoff system."

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 1:53 PM

That argument could be made regardless, because whether it's the Wiz or someone else, it's likely at 2 teams with make the playoffs in the East with records below .500

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"it's likely at 2 teams with make the playoffs in the East with records below .500
Posted by: kalo_rama"

Yes, I noticed that. Last year I think the Bulls were the only .500 team to make the playoffs - Charlotte won something like 44 games.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

sdmdtsu,

I don't have a bone in the fight, but just wanted to point out that Portland is well ABOVE .500 and would easily make the playoffs if the season ended today.

Posted by: Iowahoosier | February 7, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I think that as a head coach, Sam would make a good assistant. He was basically brought in to work with Wall. So far, that's what he's done. Putting him in a head coach position at this point would be even worse than making a QB coach like, say, Jim Zorn, head of the Redskins.

How on Earth would you know that? Just assuming Cassel would be overwhelmed for some reason? I'm not saying (at all) that he should be our coach nor that he will be a good HC one day...but there's no reason to assume he couldnt handle the job.

As for the Zorn comparison, it doesnt work at all. Zorn was a qb coach for 10yrs without sniffing an OC position, pretty much everyone in the league other than Snyder and Cerrato understood Zorn's capabilities.

Posted by: divi3 | February 7, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Cassell doesn't even have a full season of being an assistant under his belt. He has almost no meaningful experience to speak of at this point. While there's certainly a chance that he might one day be a good head coach, there's nothing to suggest he'd be able to step in, right now, and sprinkle some kind of magic fairy dust over the Wiz and make everything (or anything) better without some serious change in/growth of the roster.

While both sides of the equation are speculative, there's more reason to think he's not ready than there are to think he is, particularly on a young, still developing team like the Wizards.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Samson said putting him in "a head coaching position"

That's what I was responding, didnt say word one about how he'd fare as this team HC one way or another.

That said, Sam played like 15yrs in the league and it wasn't for being a supreme athlete. He's played in over 900 games for a slew of different teams, won championships, and been around great coaching at many different stops. He's now 41yrs old and could very well be a terrific coach just waiting on an opportunity. Or not. But there is no reason to assume he'd be Zorn-like, not the same scenario at all.

Posted by: divi3 | February 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Samson said putting him in "a head coaching position.

That's what I was responding, didnt say word one about how he'd fare as this team HC one way or another."

Nonsense, of course. Clearly the discussion was about Cassell being promoted as the HC of the Wizards. There are about multiple posts on the topic in this and the preceding thread, which were obviously what prompted Samson's comments. To suggest that we were ever talking about anything other than Cassell as the head coach of the Wiz is, well, pretty much what I'd expect from you, really.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm not concerned with what you were talking about in earlier posts that I didnt read...was just responding to the assertion that Cassell as an HC would be WORSE than the Zorn experience. There's nothing to suggest that would be the case.

As far as what would happen if Sam coached this team starting tomorrow...there isn't much for Flip's sycophants to use as evidence the results could be any worse.

Posted by: divi3 | February 7, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

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