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Posted at 12:45 PM ET, 02/23/2011

Jump ball: Who do you hold responsible?

By Washington Post editors

The Wizards' listless loss to the Pacers last night was disheartening in many ways.

As Gene Wang wrote in today's newspaper:

So dispiriting was Washington's 113-96 loss to Indiana that boos began raining down at Verizon Center midway through the third quarter. Even the most loyal supporters among the announced 14,328 clearly had become intolerant with another clunker in which the Wizards simply were no match in most meaningful categories.

And in today's Morning brew, Wang reported that players will supposedly be held accountable:

Coach Flip Saunders, according to players, addressed the recent pattern of uninspired performances, intimating playing time could be at stake should there be more of the same.

Meanwhile, many readers say Saunders and President Ernie Grunfeld are the real culprits.

Commenter gmac78 believes there is plenty of blame to go around:

Okay, they are [who] they are. Most sensible fans and just observers know that the Wizards roster just doesn't stack up. This notion that the players don't bear any responsibilty is an excuse. Everyone says they suck. What I think the point of the debate should be is in spite of their roster disadvantages, should they be as non competitve as they are. Being blown out by Indiana at home, after the all star break. One road victory etc...

A valid question. Is it lack of effort? Bad coaching? Poor personnel? A combination? Please share your thoughts below.


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Comments

All of the above.....which lands on Grunfeld at the end of the day.

Posted by: divi3 | February 23, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I feel the blame can go around. Coach, players, etc, etc, etc. Spend some money for some good big men with heart and try letting the asst coach take over for a while. I hear the coach is too soft and doesn't have what it takes to influence the players. I think it's a good move to switch Hinrich for Atlanta's guy. I like Hinrich, but I think Bibby can do something as well.

Posted by: paulaburto3 | February 23, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"It's way past time to recognize that what you see from John Wall now, is what you are going to get from John Wall in the future...out-of-control speed, poor judgment, and bad shooting."

Posted by: tomd1753

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you exceeded my expectations. I'll type this slowly for you: Wall's...a...rookie...on...a...bad...team. His numbers compare to those of C. Paul, D. Williams and D. Rose in their respective rookie years AND Wall's doing it while battling injuries, dealing with a talent-lean roster and a dysfunctional team culture. Wall's not the problem in the Wizards organization.

Posted by: bobabuie | February 23,

Posted by: bobabuie | February 23, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

EG and Saunders are not the answer to the young wizards they need someone like Mark Jackson to take over as a coach and a hungry young GM who is willing to make major changes .. besides WALL no one should be untouchable .. and if they don't build around WALL and bring in more pieces then WALL will leave just like Lebron did .. Ted don't make the same mistake that Dan Gilbert made .. You have a true super star ..

Posted by: svafai2000 | February 23, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

EG and Saunders are not the answer to the young wizards they need someone like Mark Jackson to take over as a coach and a hungry young GM who is willing to make major changes .. besides WALL no one should be untouchable .. and if they don't build around WALL and bring in more pieces then WALL will leave just like Lebron did .. Ted don't make the same mistake that Dan Gilbert made .. You have a true super star ..

Posted by: svafai2000 | February 23, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Everyone bears responsibility. That's what being a team is about. Win and lose together. But, at the end of the day, it's up to the players to make shots and stay in front of their men on defense. If they're incapable of doing that, then bringing in a new coach won't magically fix things.

This is a bad team with a lot of young raw players and a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier vets who aren't lead caliber talent. But that's what happens on a rebuilding team. It's a process and this is just step one.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 23, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the Wizards "are who they are" and the roster doesn't stack up compared with the top six teams in the East.

But, there's no excuse for poor effort. When you give up 27 points off 20 turnovers, against a visiting Pacers squad, that's poor effort. And what really stood out was the way the Wizards committed the turnovers: shot clock violation, stepping out of bounds, traveling calls, bad passes, and 10 balls that were lost on steals.

Flip Saunders and his coaching staff don't play the game. No, they aren't on the court. However, they DO have a bearing on how the game should be played. If a player turns the ball over on successive posessions, he earns minutes on the bench. If the Wizards fail to score a field goal for five minutes, call a timeout and reset strategy.

Flip doesn't have a clue of how to coach a young and fundamentaly flawed team. This should be obvious to even the most casual observer. I honestly believe that the only reason that Mr. Leonsis hasn't released Flip is because of the coach's mothers health situation.

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 23, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

This is a rebuilding team. If you didn't believe Leonsis, Grunsfeld or Saunders when they clearly told you this then the team proved it for you last night.

Posted by: jon_quest | February 23, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz need better player development, especially for their bigs(Center's & PF's); bring in help like the Magic are doing for Dwight. They need better coaching from Flip, because the teams' shot selection, defense, and defense of awareness are atrocious. Lastly they need to go after franchise worthy players when they are available, the way they have been picking players doesn't work and doesn't attract any stars, or fans.

Posted by: Ez123 | February 23, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Not much I have to say here. Flip needs to step down and Sam needs to be promoted. They also need an upgrade at the "big man's" coaching position.

I have been in Ernie's corner since he has been here, but I must admit it is time for him to step his game up.

Player wise, we need to draft a real "3" and a nice servicable "big 5". Somebody like Haywood's size, 7 footer around 270.

Ernie keeps drafting these rail thin bigs and it seems like it might not be working. Although I know he drafted Sharapan, but he is like a "4" to me and not a real "5" (too short).

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 23, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Situations like that have to be teaching moments. Watching the game last night there did not seem to be any attempt to turn mistakes into teaching moments. Both coach and players looked lost and frustrated, and it looked like they had given up. When a team quits on a coach the only remedy is to replace the coach ... you can't replace all of the players.

Posted by: iraultman | February 23, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Blatche and McGee seem to be timid and weak. They complain about being "bullied". Even marginal players like Etan seemed to stand up for themselves.
Read about how Kermit Washington learned the game.
What would happen if Booker and Seraphin started? We'd see effort until they fouled out.

Posted by: lrmc623 | February 23, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Situations like that have to be teaching moments. Watching the game last night there did not seem to be any attempt to turn mistakes into teaching moments. Both coach and players looked lost and frustrated, and it looked like they had given up. When a team quits on a coach the only remedy is to replace the coach ... you can't replace all of the players.

Posted by: iraultman | February 23, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Thank You Iraultman. I am glad somebody else noticed that also.......

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 23, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This has been a tough year, but I'm confident in Mr. Leonsis and his plan to get this team headed in the right direction. The effort last night sucked and I think that is putting it mildly. This has happened way to often this season and I think it's a combination of things and changes are needed. I don't think Flip is the right coach for this team, but we also need to make changes on the roster as well. I'm on the fence about whether or not we need to replace Ernie, but we all need to remember that this is year 1 of a rebuilding phase for the franchise. I hate losing as much as the next guy, but what really gets me pissed is when I see a lack of effort and thats what happened last night against the Indiana Pacers! No matter what, a player needs to have the decency and respect to play hard at all times because fans pay a lot of hard earned money to come to these games. It's the guy sitting in the stands that allows these guys to live the NBA lifestyle and I think some of them just don't get it!

Posted by: Beltwayboy7 | February 23, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to asign blame when we only know what we see on the court. Unfortunately for fans, this may be but a bad fit all around (coach, players, style, abilities). Two things that I think are true; the players don't suck or they would have never made it to this level, and Flip is a proven NBA coach, just not with the Wiz. There IS some disconnect between coach and players and this seems to be a carry over from the Jordan era. Even then certain players pouted and showed little effort on the court because they played behind older veterans they felt didn't deserve to be starting. Once the vets were gone it was their time to take over and except for a few bright moments, they have shown little desire to. We have a bad mix of older vets with no "court creds" to teach younger guys how to play ball that refused to learn the NBA from All Stars that were on the team. Wall seems to go all out and appears to be very coachable, but it's difficult for him to do the things he is supposed to do on the court when the rest of the team is not playing at his intensity level. Josh Howard has skill and intensity but has been hurt since he has been in DC. Which brings up another issue. Over the past couple of years, how many total individual games have been missed by key players due to injury? And how many players are playing hurt now? Quite frankly, much of my complaint about lack of intensity could be due to players playing with injury. But that still doesn't cover for the lack of basketball IQ. Several "keys to our future" keep committing the same old mistakes over and over. The sad thing with the Wiz is that we have several players with great skill and talent but have not shown much growth. Is that coaching or is that lack of effort? It is an extremely difficult thing to trade or cut a player with immense upside, but if they don't produce to their talent level then it's time to look for someone that can. What I can tell you from experience is that a TEAM of skilled players with desire and smarts will be better in the long term than a team with talented players that just doesn't gel. Responsible? I don't know. But I do know that it's the fans that suffer. I guess Mr. L has the ultimate responsibility and we shall see how he views this mess of a team at seasons end.

Posted by: okelley2nd | February 23, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld brought in the coach and players. Any blame with them also falls on him. Hence, blames lies most squarely with him, the Pollins for hiring him and Leonsis for keeping him.

Have to give him credit though for convincing people that the team is 'rebuilding' and, hence, that he has a legitimate reason to stink for a few more years on top of the eight he has already has. What is the team rebuilding from? Grunfeld's lousy stewardship, that's what. His building, for years, around soft, selfish perimeter players with no concept of team ball, interior strength or defense. His signing marginal players to bloated long-term deals, and a max contract to an immature, selfish shoot-first point guard coming off serious knee injuries and allowed, by Grunfeld, to supervise his own disastrous rehabilitation. His drafting of awful foreign players like Pech and Vermeenko, one-dimensional first round shooters like Nick Young and Jarvis Hayes, and his selling of useful draft picks for money, not to mention trading away a top five pick for a pair of retreads gone within a year. His .400 record as GM.

At any rate, only expansion teams should rebuild from scratch. Had he built a well-rounded team over the last eight years, then a couple trades could have turned the corner. Instead, he bought all in to the 'Big Three' bringing us to the promised land, then turned his back on the idea completely, trading practically the entire team (all his own personnel save Haywood) when it finally dawned on him - two years later than everyone else - that it wasn't going to win a championship. Wasn't even going to have a winning record. Such all-or-nothing reasoning is the kind of monomaniacal, unhinged thinking that builds messy, unbalanced frankenstein teams rather than legitimate, balanced contenders.

Simply put, the man does understand how to assemble a team. His record stands for itself. He has to go before Wall does, if forced to play for a consistently broken franchise.

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 23, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

AB,JM, NY have a caliver of bench players for 85% of NBA teams, JW even if his potential seems excellent, in his rookie season should not have been expected to a leader.No movment in this trade week means undermining the fan.The owner need to make a change, the team need a young defensive minded coach to change the culture in washington.
I personally do not see any development of JW this season. The team need to use markatable players like JM to improve the roster.This will never happen unless EG is out.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 23, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

NO MORE JUMP BALL!!!

This Mike Lee's blog... quit watering it down

Posted by: prescrunk | February 23, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what people expected when they said they were blowing the team up. They were not and are not a Good team. They told the fans this last season. No BIG surprise there.

Who fault? Gilbert Arenas He is the man who undermined the team and change the team expectation last year leading to the dismantling of the team.

And to all the blogger calling for more PT for Young, Blatche and McGee. Big surprise they are not stepping up as you all envisioned and instead of blaming those players it must be the Coach and GM fault.. They are role player in the best case scenario.

When you tear something down to the ground it does not automatically work the next day.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 23, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Jump ball: Who do you hold responsible?

The chicken or the egg?

The players suck that's why the record is as bad as it is....

The player or the GM?

The GM hand picked this team....he was the GM for 6 years before the rebuilding started and who does he have to show for it?

Draft picks BW (before Wall)...

Young
Blatche
McGee
Booker
Seraphin
NDiaye

Trades...

Hinrich
Lewis
Howard
Yi
Thornton

Free agents (D league)

Armstrong
Martin
Gee
Hudson
Shakur

Good job Ernie it looks like the only player in the bunch is Wall

the Wizards need to get some talent to put out on the floor with him

since Ted said that talent will come through the draft and Ernie can't draft

I hold Ernie responsible and since Flip is his guy they both should go at the end of the year...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 23, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The one thing that bothered me the most last night is it looked like the team lost all of it's fight. The only dude who looked like he was ready to play and throw some combo's was J. Wall. You can see the dude is giving it all he has.

Once J. Wall works on that "j" he is going to be flat out unstoppable. His "J's" are for the most part "bricks" 85% of the time, but he can work on that.

AB still looks disinterested to me most parts of the game. Seems to me like he is to busy trying to look smooth and cool and that he has taken emotion out of his game.

Again, he does not have that "eye of tiger" look he used to play with when he was trying to get minutes and before he signed the new contract.

AB is still one of my favorite players on the team, but this is what I have noticed about him this year. I think he might need a new voice in his ear.

J. McGee seems to be better suited coming off of the bench. I can't believe i am saying this but I have to admit it. I think his health issues causes him to tire quickly and I also think he could benefit from a new voice also.

Nick is coming on. I like his energy and he never looks tired or disinterested (i.e. McGee and AB). The one thing I would like from Nick is for him to get a mean streak on the court. No smiling until AFTER the game.

J. Howard I love his game. He gives you everything on the floor and he is playing on one leg, as everyone can see. I want to keep him for next year and let him play when he is fully healed. If AB can develop his mindset, look the heck out.

K. Hindrich grew on me this year. I did not give him the credit he deserved for being such a good defender. I had the three guard lineup, but I do understand why Flip goes to it. You need Kirk on the floor, but J. Wall plays his position and he needs to be out there.

You need Nick to play the "2" and you do not have a real "3" on the team (omitted J. Howard because he is playing hurt). That leaves Flip going to the 3 guard lineup.

This is why they need to trade Kirk to a contender and do him a "solid" (i.e. Jamisson to Cav's with Labron)and let the dude enjoy some winning. I did not see it at the beginning but I see it now. The dude has game......

*** Did not mention R. Lewis because he seems like a real cool dude and very professional. But that corkspin release on his "j" drives me crazy. It never looks good when it is leaving his hand.

He does not play in the block, so he is pretty much one dimensional (i.e. Yi). He does not have the skill to carry a team, but he is a nice part on good teams. At the money he is being paid I was expecting more.......

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 23, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 23, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The sorriest part of the Flip quote is "...intimating playing time could be at stake should there be more of the same"

Why the heck is he intimating that playing time could be at stake? Do you think good coaches "intimate" things? No. You spell it right out so there's no confusion. Why is Flip afraid to cut the PT of these guys? Not like any of them is an all-star that's earned respect.

Second, why is he still threatening to cut PT? Haven't we seen enough embarrassing losses? What is he waiting for? There's been enough causes that yesterday's loss should have broken the back of the proverbial camel. If we are going to lose and not learn anything this season, why not play guys that'll show some life? If I were Flip, my starting line up for tonight's game would be: Wall, Young, Booker, Martin and Seraphin. Sure we'll lose but what else's new? At least these guys show some life.

Posted by: tundey | February 23, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching last nights game against Indiana and seeing the Wizards players 'Jacking up' all those mis-directed shots early in the shot clock would have to know that they lack coaching. I'm not saying that the players are not without fault, but a coach must be able to have the confidence of his team. These guy (the ball players) do not respect Flip plain and simple! We need a young coach who understands how to get the best out of young talent.

Posted by: bazteal | February 23, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I've not yet gotten over NOT drafting DeJuan Blair in the second round to a NON Guarenteed contract (Good'ole Ernie) and passing on a lottery pick for Randy Foye (now in LA) and Mike Miller (now in Miami).

Imagine Blair in there instead of Dre (who is a good 6 man, but not a starter) and Curry or Harden or anyone else who wasn't drafted in the top 4 last year?

Time for Ernie to GO! I still believe in Flip, give him another year...but Ernie assembled this roster (if thats what you want to call it). I'd trade Heinrich and Dre for a veteran 4 or another 1st rounder. The Wiz need to draft a shooter and an inside banger...oh and fire Ernie.

Posted by: Gooddad | February 23, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

To me it is just this simple.

If you have all the best ingredients for a good cake and you have a bad cook, you are most likely going to get a bad cake.

If you have subpar or low quality ingredients for a good cake and the cook is good, chances are you will still get a palatable cake.

The key is the cook. Look at Philly as has been said. Philly is palatable because Collins has found a way with the same players that Jordan had to make the team overall a better team.

Those of you that are deluding yourselves to think that the talent is so bad here and we are rebuilding and the product on the floor is what should be expected and that Flip or no coach would be doing any better should think again.

Flip Saunders is a very bad cook. He is the main reason why this Team doesn't show any improvement on the court.

John Wall knows how to run a fastbreak. We saw it in Summer League and we just witnessed it again in the Rookie Challenge Game.

But if you watch Wall play with the Wizards you would have to conclude that he doesn't know how to run a fast break.

The Wizards as a Team don't know how to run a break because Flip Saunders isn't teaching them to do it as a part of his gameplan.

John Wall fastbreaks mainly by himself outside of team offense. That dog doesn't hunt.

It is coaching and it falls squarely on Flip's shoulders. There is no evidence on the court that this is a well coached Team.

But somehow, there are a lot of you that blame mostly all of this on the players.

Amazing.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 23, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

@Larry, we definitely play with the game speed on slow. The roookie game (streetball this and no defense that) gave a nice look at the player that was drafted first overall this yr. We bought a Ferrari and want to drive in downtown DC all day. Eventually you gotta get that bi+ch on the open road and let it breathe.It was good to see the skills and gifts that JWow has on display.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 23, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It is counter productive to assign blame and poit fingers. It's a team sport; the entire organization is accountable. The Wizard players , are for the most part , not NBA caliber yet many people blame Saunders. Many Wiz players do not possess the athleicism needed in the NBA today. Those who are athletic on this team lack
an offensive game. I cannot believe the trade deadline will pas and the team will be intact. This is one of the worst Wizard
teams ever. Dont the fans deserve better?

Posted by: minboden | February 23, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Same comments from mostly the same posters. It's tired.

Flip Saunders and Ernie Grunfeld have solid basketball credentials and resumes. They both are also dealing with the culture that is the Washington Wizards/Bullets, which neither one created. You can cherry pick some draft pick, substitution, or comment all you want. You can play that intellectually dishonest game all day long. The fact is they are both winning professionals.

How soon most forget Ernie somehow got the Wiz to the playoffs what 4 straight seasons even with Abe Pollin as owner? I didn't think that was possible to tell you the truth. Abe may have been a great man, but he was a lousy owner. So, that was an accomplishment. Without the typical bad breaks of this franchise (e.g. knee injury to GA), it could have been a longer run. As it stands, I think a majority of the contracts/decisions were made by Abe the last couple of seasons bc he wanted a final shot at winning a title before he passed. Makes perfect sense except that Abe's basketball decisions were not always very good. Hence, we got the bad contracts of Jamison and GA.

Anyway, I blame bad luck, a losing culture previously (i.e. not a very good owner), and a young, in the process of rebuilding, roster. It's that simple. Are EG and FS the answer indefinitely? Maybe not. But, they are not exactly the impetus for the losing we are now seeing. Last season - Abe died, GA turned into a cowboy, and here we are.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 23, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Same comments from mostly the same posters. It's tired.

Flip Saunders and Ernie Grunfeld have solid basketball credentials and resumes. They both are also dealing with the culture that is the Washington Wizards/Bullets, which neither one created. You can cherry pick some draft pick, substitution, or comment all you want. You can play that intellectually dishonest game all day long. The fact is they are both winning professionals.

How soon most forget Ernie somehow got the Wiz to the playoffs what 4 straight seasons even with Abe Pollin as owner? I didn't think that was possible to tell you the truth. Abe may have been a great man, but he was a lousy owner. So, that was an accomplishment. Without the typical bad breaks of this franchise (e.g. knee injury to GA), it could have been a longer run. As it stands, I think a majority of the contracts/decisions were made by Abe the last couple of seasons bc he wanted a final shot at winning a title before he passed. Makes perfect sense except that Abe's basketball decisions were not always very good. Hence, we got the bad contracts of Jamison and GA.

Anyway, I blame bad luck, a losing culture previously (i.e. not a very good owner), and a young, in the process of rebuilding, roster. It's that simple. Are EG and FS the answer indefinitely? Maybe not. But, they are not exactly the impetus for the losing we are now seeing. Last season - Abe died, GA turned into a cowboy, and here we are.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 23, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 23, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the playoff runs went out the door with Eddie Jordan. It's not a cardinal sin to say that Signing Flip to coach the team hasn't worked out. That's what we did with Gil,Caron,AJ etc. The difference is those guys actually proved themselves here in DC and actually deserved the time to turn it around (as did EJ perhaps). Flip hasn't shown us any of the 50 win coaching accumen that was so highly touted when he was brought in to coach this team. Maybe you give EG a pass, the draft is a crapshoot, how do you predict injuries i get it. But night in and night out this team looks unprepared and poorly coached. Some say you can't coach effort, i say BS. You can coach in a manner that less than full out effort isn't acceptable. You practice like you play. If half ass practice is accepted then that's why we see half assed games. That lies at the feet of the coach. Enough excuses for Flip. Instead of coming up with all these excuses and apologies for Flip Saunders why not point out all the good he's brought to the Wizards. With the football team, despite the horrible season, at least the players spoke of a culture change. That may not translate into wins, but the players are buying into what Shanny is talkin bout. I don't think Flip has lost the team, but i don't think he's maximizing the little talent he has on this team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 23, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I blame Abe, and here's why.

It's well known that Abe wanted to win championship before he kicked the bucket. This led to bad contract decisions and trading away draft picks for vets. I refuse to believe that Ernie willingly traded away those picks last year. That was an old man trying to grab one more before the dirt nap. Ernie just did his bidding.

Abe had 20+ years of history pre-Ernie of being a piss poor owner. Trading away webber for Mitch Richmond, Bernie Bickerstaff (sp?), Wes running the show, MJ, and the list goes on. Ernie actually brought some stability back to DC.

Don't forget this team was intentionally blown up and deliberately made bad. That's what Ted wanted. A few years of lottery picks to restock.

Posted by: paulb3rd | February 23, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

@Paul,

Wow, some sensibility in here.

@wood,

Again, you make ridiculous comments. How do you maximize "the little talent" he has on the team? You contradict your own statements. There is little talent. Therefore, they suck. And, coaching effort is cliche. You really don't coach effort. It's very likely the players have given up on the season and not FS, if that is indeed what has happened. We have a very small sample as far as what was displayed in the Indiana game. John Wall seems to have no problem giving effort every game and he has the same coach?

And, for god's sake don't make yourself look foolish by bringing up EJ as if he was the one driving the "success". He had a roster with 3 all-star caliber players. Ok. He was the one who should be questioned about maximizing what he had. That is very debatable. What is not debatable is that he has a losing career record as coach and subsequently coached one disastrous season at Philadelphia. Turning a playoff team into a lottery team, which is now, not so coincidentally, a playoff team again without him. Hmmm....

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 23, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The blame goes all to Flip Saunders. It the same reason he got fired in Detroit. The players do not respond well to his coaching tactics.. The truth is Flip is a great X's and O's guy, but is completly out of touch with his players. My number one reason for blaming Flip is , He the only coach who talks about his team losing the game before they even play the game. Flip be about to turn purple on the side lines during games. He look like grumpy dwarf and sometimes papa smurf.

Posted by: joe_eg98 | February 23, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious... loudly obvious, that Grunfeld is either drunk, was a drunk or is completely incompetent ... any which-way... He has to go , along with his "staff".
The sooner the better.
PS. Nobody wants what we have!... no trades, not even a mention of trades of any substance for the celler-dwellers Wiz.
So don't talk about rebuilding! Looks like everyone in this Front(ing) Office is just stealing money.

Posted by: member8 | February 23, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah forgot,
after Pecherof
Seraphin will be ROY.

Posted by: member8 | February 23, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

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