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Posted at 12:19 PM ET, 02/17/2011

Jump ball: Should coaches publicly criticize their players?

By Washington Post editors

An offhand remark by Wizards Coach Flip Saunders before last night's loss to the Magic seems to have touched a nerve.

Michael Lee blogged in his postgame wrap-up:

The Wizards knew before the game that [Nick] Young was probably going to sit out after developing some swelling from a bruise in his left knee after the win in Cleveland. But there were concerns about [JaVale] McGee, who arrived at Amway Center complaining of soreness in his lower back.
"One guy's got Howarditis. I guess the other guy's got Gilbertitis," Saunders joked before the game about McGee and Young.

Commenter lilhollywood10 says:

I dunno if i like the head coach of our 3x 40+ loss team trying to get brownie points with the media by ripping guys on his team, especially when one is legitimately hurt. NY was geeked up all week for the game. No way he came down with Gilbertitis.

While bobilly1 chimes in:

I would say that is not really funny for the head coach to say. Wait till they start saying the team has Saunderitis.

What do you think? Should coaches publicly criticize their players?

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Comments

We will see how this joke helps FS.
I think he is thinking with his spinal cord.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 17, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse


Ernest Grunfeld is the only person within the organization who should be allowed to criticize players, coaches or fans and occasionally the owner. Thank you.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | February 17, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's post inaccurate quotes from ignorant bloggers.

Last time I checked FS is in his second season, so insinuating he has been coach for "3X 40+" is ridiculous just as much as insinuating his coaching has had much to do with it. I would point to in no particular order - dissension, guns, injuries, rebuilding, youth, injuries, etc.. Phil Jackson would have retired rather than deal with what FS has dealt with and his results wouldn't be much better at all.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 17, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It was tongue in cheek- and a little bit funny at that. Let's not overanalyze it, he's the coach of the Wizards, not the president of the United States.

Posted by: MyOpinionIs | February 17, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I found it very interesting that after Gilbert is giving Wizard players advise on sitting out that magically player start sitting out.

There is no question a lot of the players on the current team do not have the heart to play through injuries. Hell they do not even have the heart to actually make it though a diffcult situation on the road.

It all about getting paid and protecting their most valuable asset, themselves.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 17, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"There is no question a lot of the players on the current team do not have the heart to play through injuries."

Posted by: dcinmd1

you mean play through injuries like gilbert did twice before his knee completely healed and reinjured himself twice?

Posted by: jefferu | February 17, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

when some a bad hair cut like flip saunders i guess i can say they have saunderitis, when some coach a throws players under the bus I can say they have saunderitis, when they choke and get out coached in the fourth quarter and put in a bad lineup I can say they have saunderitis

Posted by: skinsfan09 | February 17, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Coaches should be able to criticize players...but should apply it evenly. Don't sit there night in, night out and criticize one or two players consistently, and act like everyone is doing their job.

Blatche does the SAME stupid things night in, night out without any acknowledgment from this coaching staff

I don't want to hear Kirk had a great night when he dribbles around for 20 seconds and calls his onw number every possession. Or when he gets consistently blown by defenders.

Why does McGee get called out for not manning the middle, yet our backcourt who let's anyone get whereever they want on the floor receives no criticism?

When McGee provides good defense by forcing bad shots, who's not in position to box out and grab a rebound? Where's the criticism Flip?

Why is there no accountability from a coach who seems to have no clue what he's doing with a young group of players?

I want even accountability for ALL players AND coaches. I haven't seen it. Not even close.

Posted by: VaWizard85 | February 17, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked FS is in his second season, so insinuating he has been coach for "3X 40+" is ridiculous just as much as insinuating his coaching has had much to do with it. I would point to in no particular order - dissension, guns, injuries, rebuilding, youth, injuries, etc.. Phil Jackson would have retired rather than deal with what FS has dealt with and his results wouldn't be much better at all.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 17, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

First of all i called him "The coach of out 3x 40+ loss team" Sorry if that reads as Flip Saunders has coached the wizards to 3 straight 40+loss seasons, my bad. This season would be Flip's second straight year amassing 50+ losses (if they continue on the path they're on this season). To come out and say (not insinuate) that the coach bears little to no responsibility for the team's record,performance on and off the court is as ridiculous as you saying Phil Jackson would walk away from the money left on Flip's contract. Almost as ridiculous as you mentioning a coach that's won 11 NBA championships, in the same breath as Flip Saunders. I told you bout your silliness the other day.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and do it more often, call them out, nothing but a bunch of babies anyway...overpaid babies!

I am so disappointed in NBA, a bunch lazy out of shape young kids, who are way over paid.

You can't criticize them, you can't yell at them, you can't demand they be in shape.....whats the use.

We talk about the players all the time, so whats the difference, they need to get rid of Blatche, and Young.

Posted by: weaverf | February 17, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 17, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

btw I'd never call you ignorant just because you disagree stop being so silly. we don't have to agree but we don't have to be disrespectful to one another either. And last time i checked the TEAM had lost 40+ games the last 2 seasons with this one almost certainly to be the same.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Almost as ridiculous as you mentioning a coach that's won 11 NBA championships, in the same breath as Flip Saunders."

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse
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Yup.

I can understand calling out your players once in a while to motivate them. But when you do it consistently and constantly (as Flip does), it's more degrading and debilitating to morale than anything else. He needs to get a clue. It doesn't matter if your players are immature knuckleheads, as the coach it is YOUR job to take the blame. That's the price you pay for being in charge. This attitude of the leader-who-points-fingers is only hurting us. Set an example the players can follow instead of tearing them down. Geez.

Posted by: LoveTheWiz | February 17, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse


If Blatche had glibly complained about Saunderitis when Flop returned from his mother's bedside after missing a game in which Wittman had the team pumped and playing with energy, Flop would have cried like a girl and complained about how never in his years of coaching has he had player say or do....

Yes, the coach is the "boss", but the players are the subordinates AND the product. Coaches need to respect that, especially coaches as clueless as Flop.

Posted by: 2020doc | February 17, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I found it very interesting that after Gilbert is giving Wizard players advise on sitting out that magically player start sitting out.

There is no question a lot of the players on the current team do not have the heart to play through injuries. Hell they do not even have the heart to actually make it though a diffcult situation on the road.

It all about getting paid and protecting their most valuable asset, themselves.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 17, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the accuracy police didn't catch this one. Your point is understood, but i believe it was Wall that the story reported had been talking to Gil. NY has been banged up and missed some time (at least in practices for sure) i believe with soreness and issues with his knee. Last game before the All Star break, give the kid a day off to get healthy.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I dont think flip was criticizing Young, he was insulting him. Pretty big difference.

Not that he meant to insult him with an offhand joke to reporters...but what he said is definitely an insult. Of course Flip could coach blindfolded and folks like rphilli would blame the loss on Nick's lack of assists. But Flipper himself probably realizes that wasnt the best comment he's made.

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I've never understood why some coaches would rip a player in public. If a Flip and a problem with their "injuries" it should be addressed in the locker room.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | February 17, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

i don thtink any players should listen to flip and that horrilbe medical staff when it comes to injuries.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | February 17, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this was pretty close to mocking his players and to questioning their professionalism, and not just ribbing them.

Playful kidding is one thing; accusing them, even light-heartedly, of not wanting to play is another.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

If Blatche had glibly complained about Saunderitis when Flop returned from his mother's bedside after missing a game in which Wittman had the team pumped and playing with energy, Flop would have cried like a girl and complained about how never in his years of coaching has he had player say or do....

Yes, the coach is the "boss", but the players are the subordinates AND the product. Coaches need to respect that, especially coaches as clueless as Flop.

Posted by: 2020doc | February 17, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Flip Saunders has won NOTHING in this league.He's a member of the good ol boys club and will always get work, but he hasn't won anything, just like Lebron the egomaniac, and Barkley the Loudmouth,and every other great player who has been a superstar on the court, only to have his game/value diminished because he hasn't won a 'chip.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

A nonissue, really. Coaches criticize their players publicly all the time. Sometimes it makes a difference, sometimes it doesn't. If a guy is such a delicate flower that he goes into the tank because his coach took a verbal shot at him, all he's really doing is underscoring the coach's point.

Besides, according to the He-Man Saunders Haters Club, the players tuned him out months ago. So if, as you say, they're not listening to him in practices or huddles, what possible difference could anything he says to the media make?

Can't have it both ways.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

that's a good point doe 2020Doc

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

" Flip Saunders has won NOTHING in this league."

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 2:34 PM

Well, he's in good company, as only 3 active coaches have ever won an NBA title. So I guess those other 26 guys all suck too, huh?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"that's a good point doe 2020Doc"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 2:39 PM

only if, by good point, you mean "makes no sense."

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

If a guy is such a delicate flower that he goes into the tank because his coach took a verbal shot at him, all he's really doing is underscoring the coach's point.

No one suggested Flip's comment would cause NY to go "into the tank."

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

As long as he continues to throw Blatche out there for 35 mins a night, the jokes on him.

Posted by: mschmall625 | February 17, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

only if, by good point, you mean "makes no sense."

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 2:46 PM

What makes no sense is to say that what Saunders said means nothing or at least shouldn't mean anything (since they've presumably tuned him out), yet rally to Flop's defense after Young said recently that all the losses on the road can't be laid at the feet of the players only. Do words matter or not? Can't have it both ways, kalo-saunders.

Posted by: 2020doc | February 17, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

i personally don't think it was criticism but just flip's sense of humor joking around. We don't necessarily know the context of the quote whether it came when everyone was joking.

Posted by: jefferu | February 17, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, he's in good company, as only 3 active coaches have ever won an NBA title. So I guess those other 26 guys all suck too, huh?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse
and you're the one who always tells people not to misquote them, don't make stuff up to fit your argument. I didn't say flip sucked, just that he hasn't won anything. I don't believe i made any statement about the other 26 coaches in the league, but i'll read over my previous statement.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

A nonissue, really. Coaches criticize their players publicly all the time. Sometimes it makes a difference, sometimes it doesn't. If a guy is such a delicate flower that he goes into the tank because his coach took a verbal shot at him, all he's really doing is underscoring the coach's point.

Besides, according to the He-Man Saunders Haters Club, the players tuned him out months ago. So if, as you say, they're not listening to him in practices or huddles, what possible difference could anything he says to the media make?

Can't have it both ways.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

someone (not you) posted yesterday that Gil was trashing the organization by giving Wall advice about injuries and saying what type of team HE THOUGHT should be built around Wall. If Gil was trashing the Wiz by saying that we needed quality vets and that Wall should take his time with injury, than why can't one percieve Flips comments as trashing NY or JM?

PS. who said the team had tuned Saunders out?or did we say that he could lose the team with more of this type of crap (calling out 1 or 2 guys when the team lost as a whole, hell NY was hurt).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"What makes no sense is to say that what Saunders said means nothing or at least shouldn't mean anything (since they've presumably tuned him out),"

And, of course, I never said the players tuned him out. I said the anti-Flip crowd said they'd tuned him out, which makes their/your complaints about anything he says about the players to the media empty hypocrisy. If they aren't listening to him anyway, how can his words hurt them? (It's rhetorical, so don't give yourself an aneurysm trying to come up with an answer.)

"yet rally to Flop's defense after Young said recently that all the losses on the road can't be laid at the feet of the players only."

Sorry, I'm not in the defense rallying business. Never have been. Must have me confused with someone else. And, of course that's (A) not quite what Young said and (B) not the part of what he said I took issue with. But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a good crazy rant.

"Do words matter or not?"

Depends on whose they are. Yours? Not so much.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

First off, I still don't get: "The coach of out 3x 40+ loss team." It sure sounds like you're saying he coached for 3 years and lost 40+ games each time. (But it is weird that the anonymous "Washington Post Editors" who love to quote LarryInClinton's gibberish so much didn't pick up on the error.)

Secondly, Phil Jackson calls out his players all the time. He is renown for it. Bill Simmons just posted a column in which 3 paragraphs are spent analyzing Phil (and Kobe) riding Pau in the media and its effect. Phil called Kwame a p###y in the media (granted, it's Kwame Brown, but still).

Flip is average in this regard. The big stuff is likely handled in house, and the media is likely used as another tool: slightly embarassing the guys as motivation. Flip probably tries to use all his motivation tools: good cop/bad cop, yelling, begging, talking smack in practice, talking smack in the media, trying to get Cassell to relay the message, trying to get another player to relay the message, etc.

He's got some immensely talented players who don't get it yet and haven't put it all together and may have motivation issues. So, he's got to try everything. This is normal.

Also, it's not all or none on whom to credit (or whom to blame). Is it just Phil J. in LA? Or is it just Kobe? Or is it some combo of Phil, Kobe, Pau, Odom, Mitch Kupchak, Jerry Buss, etc.?

Posted by: Urnesto | February 17, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If a guy is such a delicate flower that he goes into the tank because his coach took a verbal shot at him, all he's really doing is underscoring the coach's point.

No one suggested Flip's comment would cause NY to go "into the tank."

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

funny how people just wanna start a fight bout nothing. The folks that didn't like Flip's comments feel that they were unnecessary and counter productive in terms of the team concept (two pot shots/personal attacks on character and heart). I guess your position is that you approve of or endorse Saunders message.Cool

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse


cuz they read it like i meant it. Trust me i have not forgotten the Reign Of Tapscott The Wise

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"If Gil was trashing the Wiz by saying that we needed quality vets and that Wall should take his time with injury, than why can't one percieve Flips comments as trashing NY or JM?"

(A) One has nothing to do with the other. (B) If it's true, it ain't trashing. (C) I never said Flip's comments couldn't or shouldn't be taken as critical of Young and McGee. They quite clearly were. But the question remains: If, as some have been saying for some time now, Saunders has lost the team, then how can his words possibly be doing any damage?

Sticks and stones.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@Urnesto
Is taking a shot at NY after the game (going into a 1 week Vacay) while he's hurt gonna get him in the game? What was the desired effect on NY? What was said that was motivational? He called our the guys scared not the other teams guys but his own team's guys he called them scared, and if a player is truly "scared" of playing a guy no amount of heckling will solve that.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well,well,well,.....so Flip call's out his players, just shocking!!(LMAO!)

Posted by: dargregmag | February 17, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

coach sucks. collectively, the group of players we have suck. why argue? criticize the players...they deserve it. the players should return the favor and criticize the coach because he deserves it as well. as a wizards fan, this has to be one of the most pathetic years i can remember. and we had some pathetic ones in the wes unseld era. GO WIZARDS!

Posted by: go_wiz1 | February 17, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Criticize them in public if you have done it so many times in private with no change in behavior.
What else can you do?
Send them to the principals office?

Posted by: VBFan | February 17, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"And, of course, I never said the players tuned him out."

And, of course, I never said you did, but don't let an opportunity to obfuscate just pass you by without giving it the old college try.

"Sorry, I'm not in the defense rallying business. Never have been. Must have me confused with someone else. And, of course that's (A) not quite what Young said and (B) not the part of what he said I took issue with."

No, Young said don't just blame the players and you took exception to Young questioning Flip's strategy/game plan. Flip deserves to be questioned because he hasn't accomplish ANYTHING in Washington. What a shame (for you) he doesn't hold up as your sacred cow.

"Depends on whose they are. Yours? Not so much."

And yours? Not at all.

Posted by: 2020doc | February 17, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say that the quoted comments from Flip were ripping anyone. It was just a bit of wry humor from a coach who has had many of his key players injured for extended periods during the last two seasons.

For a better example of a coach ripping players, remember Gar Heard? He was brutal in his post game comments to the papers. Generally, that's something that should only be done behind closed doors, not in the papers.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 17, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

He's got some immensely talented players who don't get it yet and haven't put it all together and may have motivation issues. So, he's got to try everything. This is normal.

That's overstating the talent level of the roster IMHO. But Nick is pure muthableepin SCORER, a talent that's always at a premium in the league, and he's been the team's best player this season. Saying he is scared to face Gil when he's knee is swollen would seem to be a out of line, and utterly out of touch with his player who would surely love to torch Gil's non-defense playing self.

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

. But Nick is pure muthableepin SCORER, a talent that's always at a premium in the league, and he's been the team's best player this season. Saying he is scared to face Gil when he's knee is swollen would seem to be a out of line, and utterly out of touch with his player who would surely love to torch Gil's non-defense playing self.
Posted by: divi3

Actually, I think Nick faked his knee injury to get Gil some playing time........

Posted by: ts35 | February 17, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Jump ball: Should coaches publicly criticize their players?
Jump Ball: Should journalists post this crap?
.............................................
Ted Lose Grunfeld = TLG.

Posted by: member8 | February 17, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow! When I commented on the original blog about Flips comments I kinda' felt in my gut that his two players would take exception to the comment and not really consider it funny.

But since we know the Team has been mugged, we wouldn't hear it from them and wow, look at the comments now.

Is it fair that the team has been mugged and Flip gets to say whatever he wants???

That's the question Kalo_rama. The Team is forbidden to make like comments about Flip eversince Nick made that comment a little bit ago.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

So, should coaches publicly criticize their players?

Answer:

It happens all the time, but when the players are forbidden from giving their criticisms/thoughts in public, then why does the coach have a right and the players don't?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I dont think flip was criticizing Young, he was insulting him. Pretty big difference.

Not that he meant to insult him with an offhand joke to reporters...but what he said is definitely an insult. Of course Flip could coach blindfolded and folks like rphilli would blame the loss on Nick's lack of assists. But Flipper himself probably realizes that wasnt the best comment he's made.

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed that Saunders' demeanor is finally getting some scrutiny. I personally agree with divi3 and find it more insulting than criticizing. I also sense that he deflects responsibility for how things are going with the team. The players to a man have publicly supported him. And have always taken the blame in interviews. I personally would not want to play for a coach who is always throwing his players under the bus. And, Mike, I am honored to be given a shout out for today's "Jump Ball." Thanks.

Posted by: bobilly1 | February 17, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

So you see, all of you folks that are saying that it is okay that Flip did what he did are taking unfair liberty against the players, just to side with Flip.

Flip cannot be going on and on in public about his players when the players have been forbidden by the organinization from speaking their minds about the Team and the coach in an appropriate like manner.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

@bobilly1,

I too am very appreciative to see my name/comments come up in JumpBall as well. I really don't understand why some folks criticize it. I guess once their ticket gets punched, well, I don't really know what they will say then.

It's funny how some think other's comments are gibberish and we all are really responding in same, but their own comments are superior in their opinion.

Thanks Mike/WAPO. Can't wait to see some bloggers hit JumpBall and then see what their comments will be then.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"If Gil was trashing the Wiz by saying that we needed quality vets and that Wall should take his time with injury, than why can't one percieve Flips comments as trashing NY or JM?"

(A) One has nothing to do with the other. (B) If it's true, it ain't trashing. (C) I never said Flip's comments couldn't or shouldn't be taken as critical of Young and McGee. They quite clearly were. But the question remains: If, as some have been saying for some time now, Saunders has lost the team, then how can his words possibly be doing any damage?

Sticks and stones.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So then you would agree that if he has lost the team then this comment just publicly reaffirms it. Or if he hasn't lost the team then this comment is insulting his players' integrity. That is the 2 ways you can take it. Accusing at least one of them of "gold bricking" it is a serious accusation. There is no room for that in the NBA' Arenas was fined 50k and it was probably the action that hurt him most with the fans and eventually sent him packing.


Posted by: bobilly1 | February 17, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Larry,
Has it come out that the players have been forbidden? If so can you post a link or something? You and a lot of these others are taking Flips comments a little too seriously. They were jokes and if the players take offense and don't use it as motivation then we're in trouble. Also, i wouldn't classify your posts as gibberish but a lot of the time they are repetative rants. (Livingston, Haywood, etc)

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | February 17, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"O’Brien’s abrasive and erratic coaching style became a greater issue within the organization. The front office wasn’t happy with how O’Brien had publicly chastised promising young center Roy Hibbert, despite the player’s earnest efforts to improve." Taken from Hoopsnotes.com
Does any of this sound similar to someone coaching the Wizards?

Posted by: bobilly1 | February 17, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

What's to gain in publicly questioning the injury status of a player? You think you can shame someone who doesn;t wanna play into playing? Give me a break! Flip keeps showing again and again that he's not the right coach for this team. I have doubts that he's a good coach at this stage. At least not without Kevin Garnett and the Fab Five in Detroit

BTW, I understand that there's nothing to be gained by firing him at this stage but Ted would be seriously remiss if he's not already looking for our next coach. Because this guy can't get it done. As bad as the Wizards roster is, there are some talent that can be develop. No one is expecting anything from this season so why hast Flip used the season to develop the guys?

Posted by: tundey | February 17, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Wizbullets88,

The muffling comment did not initially come from me. In fact, when I commented on it here in the past, I indicated that I did not know if in fact it was so. However, there were other comments by other posters confirming it.

And, ironically since the Nick comment, comments likewise from the players have ceased.

And by the way, if you really analyze the way people write, we all repeat ourselves, but I make a specific point of using repetition for a reason. Maybe that is why is stands out so.

It's also emobodied in why you see my moniker twice.

There is a method in the madness.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Uh, before knocking players because of injuries in a sport with a 100% injury rate (every player every season suffers trauma that those reading/writing here would consider as debilitating), remember every one of them knows the name Wally Pipp.

Posted by: iliwai34 | February 17, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken I believe a coach last year called some players "soft"...and to me that is the ultimate insult to a player and if that doesn't motivate you to play harder I don'tknow what will....

Funny McGee is hurt now but will be in the dunk contest come hell or high water...

If he showed half the interest in improving his game that he does the all-star game, he would be a good player...He's a 7 footer, what is there to prove dunking...He dunks then sits in the stands like everyone else...big deal..

Posted by: pentagon40 | February 17, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, pentagon40, let me see here. Dunk contest or Wizards, Dunk contest or Wizards, Dunk contest or Wizards?

You be the judge.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Uh, before knocking players because of injuries in a sport with a 100% injury rate (every player every season suffers trauma that those reading/writing here would consider as debilitating), remember every one of them knows the name Wally Pipp.

Posted by: iliwai34 | February 17, 2011 8:56 PM

Wally who? Who in tarnation is Wally Pipp? And you say these players know who he is. I'z ah' completely lost on this one.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

How in the hell did Grunfield let Thibodeou leave town?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, "kick the shyt out of 'um OX" [STRIPES]. Belittle and demean, that's real leadership for you.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

How in the hell did Grunfield let Thibodeou leave town?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Larry:

My understanding is EG did everything short of getting on his knees in front of him in the locker room to get him here.....three times. TT wanted no part of this circus.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Larry:

Dunk contest.....no brainer.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

My understanding is EG did everything short of getting on his knees in front of him in the locker room to get him here.....three times. TT wanted no part of this circus.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 10:33 PM

I guess that says a little something for Grunfield, doesn't it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

gee. who is wally pipp? i think he's the guy that lost his starting position to lou gehrig (or someone) after an injury. he never started again...

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 17, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see Lewis, did he play, Flop didn't say what ittis he had, i guess it was magicious.

Posted by: maejude | February 17, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it Flop didn't show up to coach either, what did he have coachittis.

Posted by: maejude | February 17, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

1 lame attempt at a joke and some of you go nuts, weird and sad.

Posted by: MinuMang | February 17, 2011 11:24 PM | Report abuse

gee. who is wally pipp? i think he's the guy that lost his starting position to lou gehrig (or someone) after an injury. he never started again...

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 17, 2011 11:18 PM |

Did you google it like I did or did you already know? But still, I don't see how that bit of sports trivia is common to NBA players.

I googled it before I wrote the comment. Wanted to see why the original poster thought that Wally was relevant and common knowledge.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

No. you can call 'em out at practice or at meetings, or at 1-on-1's in your office. but calling a player out in the media is not only grandstanding, but punkish... in addition, it is often a coach'es way of deflecting criticism away from himself. punk coaches do that. the bullets and the redskins have punk coaches.

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 17, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

1 lame attempt at a joke and some of you go nuts, weird and sad.

Posted by: MinuMang | February 17, 2011 11:24 PM

Some of us. It appeared to be a very hot topic on both sides of the isle.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the consensus is clear: no one should ever criticize anyone else, for any reason.

Except me, of course. I can do whatever I feel like.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 17, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Why would Wally Pipp be relevant? If you're a highly paid professional athlete and you can't play because of a series of what you bozos/media term minor injuries, you remember the story of Yankee first-baseman Pipp who sat because of injury and never played again. With a 100% injury rate, the risk of "sitting" because of a "minor" injury might mean never regaining your spot.

Posted by: iliwai34 | February 17, 2011 11:49 PM | Report abuse

When does a headache become classified as an injury? A headache according to the story is what Wally had.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 18, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

But anyhow iliwai34, how many folks do you think remembers that bit of sports trivia?

I like baseball, but I have never heard that story before, and who would, especially young NBA'ers.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 18, 2011 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I would like to know if he did this to garnett or other players. there seem to be some good ones on his staff now. I picked up on this a while back. He seems to be consistent offering praise in the public relm as well. It seems the public forum is were he feels he has to go. I am affraid the reasons go much deeper than most(self included)want to admit. Does Avery Johnson or Doc Rivers feel the need to get public support for thier decisions. Is Avery more intellegent than Flip. I can see a trend even in the NFl. A certain type of coach is considered a over bearing task master if he tries to be a disciplinarian, while it is considered a strong leadership trait in others.

Posted by: Rvf0509 | February 18, 2011 5:15 AM | Report abuse

"I dunno if i like the head coach of our 3x 40+ loss team trying to get brownie points with the media by ripping guys on his team"

Sorry dude. I know how to read and you are certainly implying he has been the coach for all three seasons. But, being incorrect is not unusual for you.

And your ignorace doesn't stop there. I never said Phil Jackson would walk away from a contract for money reasons although he certainly might now that you brought it up. I don't think he is hurting. But, the point was he would not be into coaching the problems this team has had the past couple of seasons. I don't give two sh$ts what his resume is, Phil Jackson would not have had either last years squad or this years squad performing at a higher level. That is just the current state of the team and and the reason why we are, wait for it, REBUILDING! REBUILDING = LOSING.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 18, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

My understanding is EG did everything short of getting on his knees in front of him in the locker room to get him here.....three times. TT wanted no part of this circus.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 10:33 PM

I guess that says a little something for Grunfield, doesn't it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Says he knows not to get on his knees for anyone, and knows quality when he sees it, and THIBODEAU was equally as intelligent. You may remember TOM almost came here in 2007-2008, but backed out of a verbal agreement and signed in Boston instead.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"So then you would agree that if he has lost the team then this comment just publicly reaffirms it. Or if he hasn't lost the team then this comment is insulting his players' integrity.Posted by: bobilly1"

Let me set one thing straight: Flip has not lost the team. They're exactly where he left them.

Now maybe at times he's wished he lost this squad, in hopes of finding a better one, but so far... they're still there, waiting.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 18, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

@larry: about wally pipp: i knew abt it... it was a common joke among broadcasters when i was a kid

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 18, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I googled it before I wrote the comment. Wanted to see why the original poster thought that Wally was relevant and common knowledge.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

It's relevent because that is what Saunders said about Arenas when he sat out game. It's saunders sense of irony.

Posted by: bobilly1 | February 18, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

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