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Posted at 12:05 PM ET, 02/24/2011

Jump ball: What do you think of the deal?

By Washington Post editors

Yesterday, the Wizards traded veteran point guard Kirk Hinrich and backup center Hilton Armstrong to the Hawks in exchange for Mike Bibby, Maurice Evans, Jordan Crawford and a 2011 first-round pick. Please vote and share your thoughts below.

By Washington Post editors  | February 24, 2011; 12:05 PM ET
 
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Got to love the following post.


Jon Koncak

February 23rd, 2011
9:31 pm


Adding Hilton Armstrong to the fold will make people wish I was back playing Center for the Hawks. Armstrong averages 1.8 a game and will probably be out of the league in 2 years. The Wizards just stole the Hawks lunch money. How embarrassing.

Posted by: junkmail0153 | February 24, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a good deal. Get another 1st rounder, a young SG with potential and Bibby isn't a factor to me at all. At least we have a backup PG.

I like what Hinrich brought but he wasn't a long term piece...so good move.

The common theme among all these trades is multiple draft picks. Never hurts to have them.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 24, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I love trades especially when its the Wiz. This trade is pretty good because we get Mike Bibby which is basically a back up for Kirk. the only change will be a lack of defensive effort, which isnt new. Jordan Crawford is probably the 2nd best part of the trade because hes young and he can play (only just). He might be better than Cartier but we'll see i guess, and Mo Evans is just a veteran role player so he might be good for coaching purposes, teaching the guys and stuff, he can also throw down a 3 so not all bad. The best outta this trade is the draft pick. This isnt that much of a strong pick but the hawks might slip in the standings, dont get me wrong there not gonna drop out of the playoffs but they might go below the knicks, you never know. They're projected with the 24th pick i think, but a young player is always good to have.

Posted by: Joe08121990 | February 24, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

It's really a good deal for both teams. The Hawks give up a few guys who won't be in the rotation for the next few years anyways, and in exchange they get a major upgrade at the 1. The Wizards get a bunch of young assets, and in exchange give up a 30 year old backup to our team's best player.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | February 24, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing not to like about this trade (although that won't stop some folks from trying). The Wiz gave up a player with no future in D.C. for another player with a smaller contract of the same length (and potential to be flipped in a separate deal for more assets); a young, inexpensive prospect; and a 1st round pick.

It's just the kind of smart, low risk/high potential reward deal a team in this stage of rebuilding should be making.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd grade this trade a B-. It was basically a re-shuffling of a deck of cards, with the Wizards getting the better hand.

On the plus side, we gained Jordan Crawford [who may have a future in DC] and ATL's 1st round pick. We also got rid of Hilton Armstrong, who didn't factor in our long range plans and we saved salary by moving Hinrich.

On the other hand, Maurice Evans and Mike Bibby are "rent-a-players" that aren't likely to appear on the 2011 roster. Once again, I'll grade this trade a B-.

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 24, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Meh.

1) The 2011 draft is going to be a mediocre one.

2) It's a late 1st rd pick.

3) Ernie couldn't find a big needle in a small haystack anyway.

Posted by: ubetonit | February 24, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Ah, it's a good trade for both clubs. The Wiz got the better of the swap but they're not going anywhere this season anyway. We'll see how Atlanta does in the playoffs.

But it's good for Hinrich. He must feel like virtue rewarded.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Evans will play a little D.

Posted by: gmac78 | February 24, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

With Armstrong gone, does that signal a commitment to Seraphin for back up mins. ?

At least when there is extreme foul trouble

Posted by: gmac78 | February 24, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

We know Hinrich would not be part of the Wiz future. So it is nothing for potentially someone quite good.

We do not know how good Crawford or the late first rounder will be. Odds are, neither will be a major factor. But maybe one of them will beat the odds and become a huge contributor. Looking at #23 or so overall picks, most are busts. But once in awhile, a superb player shows up at that spot. The idea is to keep collecting the kids, so that some of them will turn out to be gems, even though you don't know which ones. A big plus for the Wiz.

Posted by: EdDC | February 24, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe there'll be a Pecherov available with that late first round pick for EG to get all wet about. If no Pecherov, then maybe he can scope out some 6'11" guy who specializes in finger rolls and clankers from 12 feet. Or, better yet, maybe he can package the pick and the other Wiz first rounder for a couple of guys who'll take the Wiz from a possible 20 game winner all the way up to 28.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 24, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

A late first rounder in a relatively weak draft could end up yielding more value than people think. The lack of surefire stars at the top of the order could result in teams in the lottery swinging and missing and some good contributors falling down a few rungs.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

It's not like Kirk brought anything special to the table and he was overpaid, so getting some assets for him is a good move. However it wouldnt have been terrible to keep him either, better deal may have been available next season and he was a good backup for us.

At the end of the day trades like these involve moving relatively insignificant pieces around while we wait to see where we'll get our next all-star level talent.

Posted by: divi3 | February 24, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Wizars made a wise move. Bad draft coming up but picks are always a gem. If they use it wisely

Posted by: rayjay1 | February 24, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think that it's a very solid trade. I initially loved the trade to get Heinrich; however, I became increasingly frustrated at his intent to take over the game at the end of games and turn the ball over with noone checking him. Bibby is much more of a pure point guard and JWall can learn a lot more from him.

Getting Crawford, who is a good scoring shooting guard and Evans who is a decent defender as well as another draft pick coincides with the plan to get younger and rebuild. So, good job Ernie.

Posted by: justman1 | February 24, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If EG had traded Hinrich for Anthony, there are still some people out there who would say it was a bad deal for the Wizards.

This is a deal involving primarily 2nd and 3rd stringers.

If we get a decent backup with the 1st round pick from Atlanta and if Crawford turns out to be a decent backup, EG has done his job well -- since we need youth to build for the future.

The Wiz gave up a good backup guard who will be too old by the time the Wiz are in the playoff picture several years from now.

They gave up a 3rd string center who never plays.

Not a lot to get excited about here.

Posted by: joyster8 | February 24, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Bibby is much better than Kirk people. Bibby starts for a playoff team and has held off the talented Jeff Teague all year despite everyone saying he would lose the job before the season. He has been a top 10 PG for most of his career. Hinrich rides the bench for one of the worst teams in the league and has had one or two decent seasons four years ago. Chicago begged us to take him because Rose was tired of him slowing the tempo down and missing so many shots. Chicago knows what they are doing now. I know we are desperate for the one good defensive game Hinrich plays every month or so, but Bibby is by far the better pro.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | February 24, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Good trade for both teams. Obviously the two teams are going in different directions so they each have different needs. Atl got Kirk and gave up future potential which they don't need because their future is now. The Wiz got younger, received a draft pick and a backup pg and now have more assets. Hopefully they use it to make a big trade (Kevin Love please please please) next year.

Posted by: MaxnDC | February 24, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

It's a good trade since the Wizards weren't going anywhere and I guess Kirk showed Wall everything he knew?

Bring on Bibby let's see what he can teach the Rook...who would have thought bringing in some vets might help a young player get better?

How about bringing someone in for our big guys.

Grade B since we don't kow who the draft pick will turn out to be.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 24, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"3) Ernie couldn't find a big needle in a small haystack anyway."

Lol, I agree. :)

Mutually beneficial. If Ernie can dump Lewis I think the Wiz will make out. Either way, EG will just use that pick on some kid in Europe that we will never see.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 24, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bosshog7169 | February 24, 2011 2:00 PM

Wow. Even in a place known for irrationally biased nonsense that was just . . . wow.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

You mean besides Kirk Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong?

Posted by: noslok | February 24, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd like this trade if we had a different GM making the draft pick... At 20, we'll get a project big man or a worthless international player or both.

Love to see the Wiz get a spot up shooter to play next to Wall...

Posted by: flipper5000 | February 24, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"It's not like Kirk brought anything special to the table and he was overpaid, so getting some assets for him is a good move. However it wouldnt have been terrible to keep him either, better deal may have been available next season and he was a good backup for us.At the end of the day trades like these involve moving relatively insignificant pieces around while we wait to see where we'll get our next all-star level talent.Posted by: divi3"

"It's a good trade since the Wizards weren't going anywhere and I guess Kirk showed Wall everything he knew?Bring on Bibby let's see what he can teach the Rook...who would have thought bringing in some vets might help a young player get better?How about bringing someone in for our big guys.Grade B since we don't kow who the draft pick will turn out to be.
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

OK, now we've heard from Moe and Curly -- what does Larry think?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

In this year's draft... can we please stay away from the long term international project?

We need guys that can play a physical brand of basketball... If Jordan Williams comes out, I like him from 5 - 10... I see him as a bruiser like Boozer who could man the PF spot for years... Get rid of Blatche's sorry butt today or during the draft.

Posted by: tony325 | February 24, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Jordan Williams is not a lottery pick, at least not this year. If he does come out this summer (which I doubt) he's actually the kind of guy who might be available with the Hawks pick.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

OK, this is strange: "The 2011 first round pick acquired from the Los Angeles Clippers [in the Baron Davis-Mo Williams trade] is unprotected, meaning the Cavaliers own the pick in the upcoming draft no matter what selection it is."

Must be something else going on here. Davis and an unprotected first for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon? Maybe Don Sterling was made at Davis for helping Blake do that silly jump-over-the-car dunk last weekend.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Must be something else going on here. Davis and an unprotected first for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon? Maybe Don Sterling was made at Davis for helping Blake do that silly jump-over-the-car dunk last weekend.

Davis is owed around $40,000,000.

What was that you were saying about ignorance?

Posted by: divi3 | February 24, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Considering the Wiz were paying Hinrich 9 mil and the team has won 16 games with him on the roster and Armstrong is relegated to non existence, its a slam dunk trade. Crawford will be making 1.2 mil for the next 3 seasons and the mystery draft pick will make maybe a little more than that and that comes in a little above what Al Thorton makes. I am sure they can force bad shots and commit senseless fouls as capably as Thorton. I do not expect Thorton to be back. Bibby is a cheaper back up point guard who shoots a better 3 than Hinrich and Evans will be a cheap backup 3 next season to Lewis.
What they did add is more 3 point shooting to this team for next season which I consider a good idea. So I consider a net plus for this team. Atlanta has a nice expensive point guard to lose with in the play-offs.

Posted by: firemetalrat | February 24, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Assuming we cant get Sullinger from OSU. What about Williams from Arizona (ship 'Baltche' out). Or Jordan Hamilton in the backcourt with J Wall?

Posted by: ryjufox3 | February 24, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Late first round picks and even second rounders can be good. Just takes some luck. Arenas, Paul Millsap. Boozer, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker come to mind as late choices that turned out well. I'm sure there are lots of others. For every one of those, there are lots of busts, and every GM has them.

Point is, you need lots of these picks to have a chance to get a good one. The more you have, the better the odds. Wiz had three first rounders last year and two so far in 2011. It's a great plan.

Posted by: EdDC | February 24, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Eg traded a early 2nd round pick to Bulls
and got from atlanta the 27 pick in 2010 and a late 1st in 2011 has is this anyway
a losing trade?

Posted by: rivertoreef | February 24, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I have to say something in Ernie's defense. I will be honest as a fan that has watched this team for over 40 years and I would say I have not missed a televised game in the last 25, I screamed for JOY when we hired Ernie because of the jobs he did in short time with the Knicks and the Bucks. I always thought he was the best GM in the NBA and still feel the same!

He took over the Wizards and in what two to three years had taken a 25 year laughing stock to the playoffs with the additions of Jamison, Gil and Butler with some role players and a few draft selections that turned this east coast Clippers team into a real threat to compete for a championship on paper last year! Don't believe me go back and read the clippings from last years papers and the comments from those around the league that KNOW basketball!

Miller injured much of the season Butler missed games as well. Then the star player gets himself suspended for most of the season and it all fell apart. The rebuid starts and we are where we are today but I am betting it gets better and we see a playoff team in the next two to three years.

I know the negatives, He signed an injured player to a contract that cost the Wiz 116 million. If he had't done it and Gil had come back healthy and ready to play with the same ability everyone would still be saying ("LOOK ERNIE LET A TALENT LIKE ARENAS SLIP AWAY"). The truth of it is there are not that many superstars with the abilty to just take over a game and change a pretender into a contender and Gil was just that before the injury. Sometimes you have to roll the dice and this was one of those times.

Look around the league... Boston has the big three. Miami same. Lakers have Kobe and Gasol along with some nice players like Odem etc. Even the Thunder have Durant a player that turned a terrible team into a nice playoff team that can go deep into the playoffs. The Nets just gave up Harris and two first rounders for one player (Williams) who in my opinion is not in Gils world when both are at 100 percent. While Williams is certainly a superstar in the league let us see him put up 60 against the Lakers or even 40.

My point is you get a shot and you take it and when the team blows up like last years team with injuries and yes foolishness it can't all be blamed on the GM or the coach. These moves were approved by Abe at the time as he wanted to give the fans a winner and he did all he could over the last five years of ownership to do just that.

Give Ernie time and you will see a competitive team with playoff asperations in short order. Remember Howard will be a free agent next year and Durant not so far behind? A lot of money to spend in DC as well!!

Posted by: buddybuttons5 | February 24, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

To recap, Ernie G parlayed a 2nd round pick into Bibby, Crawford, Seraphin, and a 1st round pick.
And people are complaining.
Now if Leonsis will invest in scouting for the draft, we could get somewhere...

Posted by: minorthread | February 24, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Davis is owed around $40,000,000."

The actual savings for the Clips is allegedly around $10 mil over the next two years. Appreciable, but ordinarily not meriting throwing in the unprotected first, which should be Top 10. Apparently the 'brain trust' in LA decided the first rounder wasn't going to be worth that much anyway given the status of this year's draft class.

GM Neal Olshney: "...more than anything.. [it's] what we're gonna be able to do with the additional cap flexibility to secure players on our current roster as well as be a player in the free-agent market not just next summer but the summer following, which is an opportunity we would not have had if [Davis] was still under contract."

Well, if they're right about the draft, they'll look smart in two years. After all, that's the same reasoning Ernie used to trade away that fifth pick two seasons ago.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

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