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Posted at 3:21 PM ET, 02/ 2/2011

Lakers covet Kirk Hinrich?

By Michael Lee

After his team lost to hated rival Boston on Sunday, Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said that he "may have to look into a trade" with the two-time defending champion struggling to consistently play at a high level. Magic Johnson echoed that sentiment by proclaiming that the Lakers need to "bring some new life to the team."


The Lakers want me? (REUTERS/Misty McElroy)

While listing possible trade targets, the Los Angeles Times reports that the Lakers "have always coveted guard Kirk Hinrich." The Lakers spoke with Chicago around the trade deadline last season but those talks stalled with the Bulls insisting on taking back only expiring contracts, as it prepared to clear cap room for free agency in the summer. The Bulls later shipped Hinrich last summer to the Wizards, and added draft pick Kevin Seraphin and $3 million to sweeten the deal.

Hinrich is averaged 10.9 points and 4.4 assists for the Wizards and makes $9 million this season and $8 million next season. But the Lakers don't have much to offer outside of a $5-million trade exception that it received in the trade that sent Sasha Vujacic to New Jersey. The players that the Lakers might be willing to move -- Ron Artest or possibly former Maryland star Steve Blake -- also have limited trade assets that would interest the Wizards.

Kupchak and Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld are good friends, and they hooked up for the Caron Butler-Kwame Brown deal. So that will be something to keep an eye on between now and the Feb. 24 trade deadline, especially with Blake not providing what the Lakers had hoped when they signed him last summer.

Grunfeld, though, told HoopsWorld that he doesn't think that the Wizards will make any deals before the deadline. "For us it would really depend on what the deal is," Grunfeld said. "Of course, you never turn down the right deal, but it would have to really be the right deal. There's not as much conversation going on this year as in years past because a lot of teams are waiting to see how things will work out with the new collective bargaining agreement. We've positioned ourselves pretty well from a financial standpoint. We have some solid young players and our future looks good."

By Michael Lee  | February 2, 2011; 3:21 PM ET
Categories:  Kirk Hinrich  
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i say trade him for the 5 million trade exception, maybe see if you could squeeze out a pick as well. the sooner we get his 9 million salary off the books, the better.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | February 2, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Mitch Kupchak probably feels we owe them something since Ernie gave up Kwame Brown for Caron Butler and kept a straight face. I can imagine Mitch asking if Ernie he really thought it was a good deal "No, Mitch it's a great deal. Man, I'm telling you, I almost feel like I should be asking you to put something else in the deal. This Kwame guy has nothing but upside" Ernie replied as he bit a little harder on his bottom lip as he appeared to keep himself from bursting out with laughter.
"Okay" Mitch said wondering if he was doing the right thing "I'll take your word on this one Ernie but if this doen't work out, you'll be hearing from me later"

Guess who's back?

Posted by: zack9633 | February 2, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Only player that they have to move if possible is Blatche..KH is fine and his cap number is not that bad..

Hope they can find some dumb a** GM to take on Blatche and his deal..Good luck..

Posted by: kevenjones | February 2, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Pls.... Hurry up and trade him before he gets trapped in the corner and turns the ball over again! The Wizards didn't resign 22-pac Shakur as I figured they wouldn't :( How come when the Wizards get guys know for shooting, they won't shoot the damn ball???

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | February 2, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

you guys kill me like Blatche is the worst player ever or something. Let's get a real coach that doesn't throw his players under the bus at every opportunity to see what the players are capable of. I agree that the effort appears to be lacking from Blatche at times but hey, our coach doesn't coach effort. Too bad that's 50% of a coaches job (with the other half being Xs and Os). We have talent, we just don't use it well. We always look lost on offense and defense and the substitution patterns are wack. Our offense is designed to get guys open jumpers so you can't get on Dray for shooting them, it's the dumb a*s offense!

Posted by: ree most | February 2, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"you guys kill me like Blatche is the worst player ever or something. Let's get a real" Posted by: ree most

Man YOU are the one that needs to get real. Blatche is like a black hole in the offense. I it get's to him you can almost bet that he's gonna shoot it or turn it over. Flip is stuck with having to play him in key moments but you can bet, he'd love to move him if he could.

Posted by: zack9633 | February 2, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

blatche is frustrating sometimes, but he can get better, needs to stop being so soft, and flip needs to get on him for that and not let him do watever he wants and do dumb fadaways. hinrich is a black hole on offense, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble under the hoop, see nick young wide open for 3, hold ball, shoot and miss.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | February 2, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

jackson's supposedly coveted hinrich forever, but the lakers don't have any assets for a trade and I doubt that buss would be willing to increase the cost (and luxury tax) of the league's highest payroll since he's been cutting salary via trades.

Posted by: MinuMang | February 2, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if the Lakers would throw in that top draft choice...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 2, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

How about trading Flip Saunders and Grunfeld for a bag of peanuts. That seems like a fair trade.

Posted by: mschmall625 | February 2, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if the Lakers would throw in that top draft choice...

Posted by: Samson151

Knew it coming lol

Posted by: zack9633 | February 2, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: audacitea | February 2, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

hinrich is a black hole on offense, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble under the hoop, see nick young wide open for 3, hold ball, shoot and miss. Posted by: skinsfan09

That must be why Phil Jackson likes him.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 2, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The Lakers have nothing to trade (that they're willing to part with) that anyone would want. And really, unless they plan on giving Hinrich a lot more freedom and a lot more shots, it's hard to see how he would do much more for the Lakers than Blake is doing in the same limited role.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 2, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

@SDMDTSU,
When will we have a "50 win roster" assembled? OKC is in their 3rd yr and second City with KD. They've made it to the playoffs once since he was drafted,and exited in the first round. This is the model we are trying to follow. OKC as great a model as they may be, still hasn't won anything. I'm just starting to wonder how long will Flip be coaching this team . I mean i can't imagine the Wiz jumping into the top 4 in the east in the next 2 seasons, and the last guy lost his job for only managing to make it to the second round. How long will we have to wait for these 50 wins, and then does Flip have what it takes to win a title?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 2, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It took OKC 3 years. We're like 45 games into year 1. They got KD and three other top 5 picks with him. They lost and grew together. In my thinking this year was gonna be ugly...next year would be a little better...but with another top pick to go with Wall, McGee, Blatche, Young, Booker and Seraphin (I wouldn't mind Yi sticking around too). Actually...I'm more leaning towards getting rid of Dray...you can't coach heart and effort. He's lacking there. I'd rather have a bully down there.

OKC hasn't won anything but they're still going up. They took two years to build until they were an 8 seed with 50 wins. This season they'll probably be a top 4 team. Convinced a top 5 player to stay in OKLAHOMA...that's an accomplishment in itself and they still have cap room to get a FA to go with the young guys or just to extend their own players.

I don't see why they can't make the same kind of jump in 2 years. If Flip will be the coach and if we're gonna win a title I don't know. That's pretty much been reserved for Boston, LA, Chicago and San Antonio for a while. Hell...since 1983 only 7 teams have won them...those 4, 1 for Miami and Detroit and those two for Houston.

I'm not even looking that far yet...we're just half way into year 1.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 2, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"hinrich is a black hole on offense, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble under the hoop, see nick young wide open for 3, hold ball, shoot and miss."

Posted by: skinsfan09 | February 2, 2011 5:23 PM

And yet, despite being a "black hole," he's second on the team in assists (even though he plays half his minutes at SG). And even though he supposedly ignores "nick young wide open" and "hold(s the) ball, shoot(s) and miss(es)" all the time (which, I assume, is meant to imply he passes up good shots to take bad shots), his overall FG% is virtually the same as Young's and he's second on the team in 3pt percentage, right behind Young. And then there's his team leading assist to TO ratio.


Hmmm . . .

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 2, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"blatche is frustrating sometimes, but he can get better..."

The thing is he won't, he's too lazy and absorbed in himself to ever realize this.

"How about trading Flip Saunders and Grunfeld for a bag of peanuts. That seems like a fair trade."

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

"That must be why Phil Jackson likes him."

Just say "no" to Ron Artest.

FREE MIKE LEE!!! :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 2, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: djnnnou | February 2, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

hey...i like a trade with the Lakers that would bring back Lamar Odom.

The Lakers need more perimeter scoring. We can give them Hinrich and Lewis for Odom and Walton. Walton has a high basketball IQ with a solid jumpshot and is a model citizen. While Lamar Odom could provide a much needed Veteran Forward that can sit blatches ass back on the bench where he belongs.

If the Wiz cant pull that trade off, please have conversations with the pacers and grizzlies, for either Randolph or Granger. Getting Granger in a trade and signing David West in the off season will really make the team better. but the key is getting rid of rashards contract.

or we can just go with booker and see how he develops at the 4.

wall
young
granger
west
mcgee

wall
young
walton
odom
mcgee

wall
young
lewis
sullinger
mcgee

wall
young
artest?
sullinger
mcgee,,

Posted by: mrhney03 | February 2, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

hey...i like a trade with the Lakers that would bring back Lamar Odom.

The Lakers need more perimeter scoring. We can give them Hinrich and Lewis for Odom and Walton. Walton has a high basketball IQ with a solid jumpshot and is a model citizen. While Lamar Odom could provide a much needed Veteran Forward that can sit blatches ass back on the bench where he belongs.

If the Wiz cant pull that trade off, please have conversations with the pacers and grizzlies, for either Randolph or Granger. Getting Granger in a trade and signing David West in the off season will really make the team better. but the key is getting rid of rashards contract.

or we can just go with booker and see how he develops at the 4.

wall
young
granger
west
mcgee

wall
young
walton
odom
mcgee

wall
young
lewis
sullinger
mcgee

wall
young
artest?
sullinger
mcgee,,

Posted by: mrhney03 | February 2, 2011 6:48 PM


We are allow to dream on here right?

Posted by: YEAwizards | February 2, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

lakers won't trade their core Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom. We might get shannon brown but Nick Young does the same thing brown does. Giving up hinrich for Fischer (expiring contract), Brown, Trade Exception, and draft pick would be under consideration.

If we are going to follow a model organization how about the chicago bulls. They drafted Drose and Noah, coached the team up to a playoff team while clearing cap space then signed boozer and korver.

Posted by: jefferu | February 2, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

"If we are going to follow a model organization how about the chicago bulls. They drafted Drose and Noah, coached the team up to a playoff team while clearing cap space then signed boozer and korver.Posted by: jefferu"

The Bulls never 'blew up' a troubled team the way the Wiz did following the Arenas incident and suspension. Their 5 year record:

2005-6 41 wins
2006-7 49 wins
2007-8 33 wins
2008-9 41 wins
2009-10 41 wins

Plus they had phenomenal draft luck -- winning the lottery despite having only a 1.7% chance -- to yield Derrick Rose.

More a reload than a total rebuild.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 2, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I would not mine trading Kirk but it just the Lakers dont really have anything to offer. Yea can get a draft pick but that going be like what a 30 pick {which honestly to me is a second round pick). so to put it simple i dont think this trade is going to go down. If by chance it somehow do through ship Lewis with him.

Posted by: YEAwizards | February 2, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The only way Gilby would be welcome back is if he changed his contract to about $3.5 mil/year.

In any regard, if you check the link below, he seems happy to have skipped town.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2011/01/rs-_arenas_1.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 2, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much Ron Artest has left in the tank? Do the Lakers covet Hinrich enough to deal Artest? Artest may be nutty, but he has the toughness that is sorely lacking on the Wiz. I'd love to see what Seraphin and Booker could learn from Artest. Are there any tough guys that the Wiz might be in position to draft next year? The team must get tougher.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | February 2, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

We might get shannon brown but Nick Young does the same thing brown does.

Posted by: jefferu | February 2, 2011 8:12 PM |

Shannon can average 20ppg in a full season off the beach or 25ppg when he starting???

Posted by: YEAwizards | February 2, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much Ron Artest has left in the tank? Do the Lakers covet Hinrich enough to deal Artest? Artest may be nutty, but he has the toughness that is sorely lacking on the Wiz. I'd love to see what Seraphin and Booker could learn from Artest. Are there any tough guys that the Wiz might be in position to draft next year? The team must get tougher.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | February 2, 2011 8:41 PM

To answer your first question nothing at all. If we trade for artist(which i believe is not going to happen for reason one he got a longer contract then Kirk)is just for the reason u just give out. Teaching the rooks on how to play tough, dirty, and with effort is what artest can teach then best. :)

Posted by: YEAwizards | February 2, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much Ron Artest has left in the tank? Do the Lakers covet Hinrich enough to deal Artest? Artest may be nutty, but he has the toughness that is sorely lacking on the Wiz. I'd love to see what Seraphin and Booker could learn from Artest. Are there any tough guys that the Wiz might be in position to draft next year? The team must get tougher.

Posted by: dannykurland1

The team must definitely get tougher, but I don't think Artest is the way to go. For one, he's getting up there in years. Two, while the Wiz needs to get tougher, it also needs more maturity and stability. Artest has been more or less a good citizen on the Lakers, but that's on a team with a lot of strong leadership and focus throughout the organization, plus a consistently winning team. In DC he would be expected to be more of a leader as a veteran and I don't think that's a good recipe for success. Third, he'd be on the books for three more years after this season (unless he used his ETO).

On some level, I'd be fine with a Blake + Exception + draft pick for Hinrich swap if the Lakers feel compelled to get him. The only concern is that Blake just signed a 4yr/16 mil contract with the Lakers, so he'd also be on the hook for 3 more years. Not sure the Lakers would go that route either.

Posted by: ts35 | February 2, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Too thin at guard to let him go. Maybe they could bring in a 3rd team and get a higher pick.

Mystery Team - offer top pick to wiz
Wiz - Offer Hinrich
Lakers offer Mystery team a player and some...

Posted by: AllDCSports | February 2, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 2, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Kalo,

I don't get why if the Lakers are really interested in trading for Kirk why they can't make it happen.

You have always been top notch on trade scenario's, but at this point I am just not seeing how it cannot happen.

Could you help me out this.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 2, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see Blake back here. He can really run an uptempo game. Hinrich can play point but not the type of point Wall plays that is more a fit for the Team.

Hinrich is good for a traditional setup type team and for Flips system. Problem is, we don't have a Flip team or a setup style team.

We really have a uptempo transition style team more like Atlanta and Oklahoma, but Flip system isn't set up that way.

I think they knew that Kirk was perfect for Flips system, but the problem is we don't have those types of players.

Wall and Blake are more alike than Wall and Hinrich. Blake knows how to push a team down the floor. Would love to see him back here.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 2, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The only way Gilby would be welcome back is if he changed his contract to about $3.5 mil/year.

In any regard, if you check the link below, he seems happy to have skipped town.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2011/01/rs-_arenas_1.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 2, 2011 8:40 PM

DC,

What the, what are you doing, this was already on the site and blogged about. Where were you?

Turn in your pimp card. Now.

Just havin some fun.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 2, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

More a reload than a total rebuild.

Bulls have what, 2 players on roster who were there 3yrs ago? How is that not a rebuild?

They drafted a super PG #1 overall and took Noah at 9th. Everyone else is draft, FA, or low picks. There is more chance that Wall develops into Rose and Mcgee gets towards Noah's level than there is the Wizards stink their way into drafting a KD to go with Wall. There just aren't many Durantulas out there, no matter how many picks you have.

Posted by: divi3 | February 2, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

sorry Luol, forgot you, but still...

Posted by: divi3 | February 2, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Everyone else is draft, FA, or low picks.

trades, FA, or low picks

Posted by: divi3 | February 2, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Can they get the exemption and Blake? If so do it,if not take the exemption and a pick even a second rounder who cares,gets the contract off the books and what ww thought we might have gotten with him we haven't. Veteren leadership minor,tough nosed "D",still waiting,anything else somebody please tell me. Seriously nice enough guy but he just can't handle his role here or the rebuilding aspect of the team. I'm sure he thought he could and had all the good intentions in the world but the no hope losing combined with Wall's injuries,added to his own have just killed his spirit from my viewpoint. Besides let the Lakers start talking serious and somebody else may come along and give us a better offer,look he isn't going to help us at all long term and his short term effect is looking to be minimal at best,let's just cut him free and rid us of his contract,I say if you even were to get a ham sandwich it would be ok. But still I think there will be other teams interested that could come to the plate with something decent,if lucky even potentially good. Ernie let the rumors role,on him and Lewis,it will get you 2 things in the very least no matter what we end up with in return. A: Veteren players and Free Agents around the league will take notice that the team would take a players interests at heart and B:it would obviously open up more cap space for next year unless you took on something stupid, which inspite of all the naysayerrs and critics I really don't see you doing it,and even if you tried Ted would Veto so let's get this party started Ernie---ok?

Posted by: mfowler1 | February 2, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"More a reload than a total rebuild.

Bulls have what, 2 players on roster who were there 3yrs ago? How is that not a rebuild?

They drafted a super PG #1 overall and took Noah at 9th. Everyone else is draft, FA, or low picks. There is more chance that Wall develops into Rose and Mcgee gets towards Noah's level than there is the Wizards stink their way into drafting a KD to go with Wall. There just aren't many Durantulas out there, no matter how many picks you have.

Posted by: divi3

I think his point was more that they never used the nuclear option and ditched all of their quality players at once. The changes you're talking about have taken place over three seasons. This season saw the most change they have had. And a lot of that was driven by the unprecedented FA class.

Posted by: ts35 | February 2, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"I think his point was more that [Chicago] never used the nuclear option and ditched all of their quality players at once."

Right. And averaged 41 wins over the five year period. And got very, very lucky with that overall top pick in a year when they had virtually no shot at it.

Also Chicago survived some management mistakes -- such as drafting LaMarcus Aldridge in '06 and promptly trading him for Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa. And sending Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for PJ Brown and JR Smith.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 2, 2011 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Think about the Bulls' current situation the way a number of their fans do: that if they'd simply hung on to Aldridge, Chandler, and Ben Gordon, and got lucky with Rose, they'd already be favorites in the East.

Unfair, of course, because something else would have gone wrong, as it always does, but you know fans: they see what they want to see, and disregard the rest.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 2, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Samson151,

Chicago's blow-up occurred in 1999 and 2001. Traded Pippen, Kerr, Longley, didn't resign Rodman.

Trading Brand was just a flat out blunder. Not exactly sure how Krause squared that idea with the notion of "rebuilding".

The team sucked for the better part of 6 years. Eventually they got lucky landing the #1 overall in a draft that had a player like Rose, they made some good picks, and finally landed a big name free agent.

As far as the Hinrich deal goes, I'd say you don't trade the guy just to trade him. A mid-level exception doesn't have much value for a team that's rebuilding and unlikely to make any serious moves in free agency -- also who knows what will happen with the CBA as far as the salary cap goes. In the case of Hinrich and Lewis, their presence as veterans on a young team is more valuable at this stage then cap relief. If the team can land a #1 for either maybe you make the move. Next year both if there's a season and they remain healthy both are likely to have more trade value.

Posted by: JPRS | February 3, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Comparing December and January, Blatche's scoring average is down 2 points, but he is averaging almost one more assist per game (1.5 to 2.4) and almost one less turnover (3.0 to 2.2). His rebounding, blocks, and steals are about the same. He is never going to be James Worthy or Karl Malone, but he has improved every year for the past five years. I don't think his play warrants a quick and thoughtless dismissal. How do the Wiz gain if they dump him at the first opportunity?

Posted by: twomangame | February 3, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Trade Grunfield and Saunders, then maybe things will pick up. Oh yeah, send Blanche along also.

Posted by: rayjay1 | February 3, 2011 12:40 AM | Report abuse

trade Grunfield and saunders / oh yeah send Blanche along also

Posted by: rayjay1 | February 3, 2011 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Ron Artest is usually good for one year so it might be a good trade if he agrees to be a free agent after next year.

Posted by: justgeoff | February 3, 2011 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted at 11:45 AM ET, 02/ 2/2011
Jump ball: Would you rather have Arenas back?
By Washington Post editors

With the Wizards mired in a six-game losing streak and heading toward record-setting futility on the road, have things gotten so depressing that fans would rather turn back the clock? Commenter bosshog7169 suggests just such a scenario:

Indisputable fact: if Gil was on this team he would have willed us to get lucky and win a road game. Not saying it was a horrible trade getting rid of his inflated contract, but Rashard's isn't much better and he is playing like a bum. I'd rather see the Gil X factor on the court if we're going to be horrible. At least that way it wouldn't be so boring watching the Wiz pretend to play basketball.

What do you think? Gilbert Arenas will be back in town on Friday when Washington hosts the Magic. For excitement's sake, do you wish he was still a Wizard?
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By Washington Post editors | February 2, 2011; 11:45 AM ET
Categories: Gilbert Arenas

Awesome! I wish I had checked this yesterday. You the man Michael Lee! I can't believe you quoted my hyperbolic statement WaPo. I know Gil has been playing badly in Orlando, but I feel like he would be playing better if he was still here. I think going to Orlando was the final blow to his confidence and he is really playing scared now. I stand by my statement that we definitely would have won one by now and the games would be more entertaining to watch. Say what you will about Gil, but at least he cares about winning and is fun to watch. I don't see that from the players on this team with the exception of Booker and Wall and perhaps a couple others.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | February 3, 2011 5:11 AM | Report abuse

Ron Artest is usually good for one year so it might be a good trade if he agrees to be a free agent after next year.

Posted by: justgeoff | February 3, 2011 2:45 AM | Report abuse

I believe he is 30 something now and has a few years left at over 20 mil. I was just talking to somebody yesterday about whether we could dump Rashard on the Lakers for Artest. I think Rashard is much better than Artest at this point, but his contract may be too much. Artest's contract might be worse than Hinrich's and he isn't as good so I would hate that trade. Maybe Hinrich for Shannon Brown or one of their younger guys. Blake would be great if you could get him too.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | February 3, 2011 5:23 AM | Report abuse

KH for Blake seems to be a trade just to trade deal. Unless you want let Kirk or "Curt" go to a team where he has a chance to win a championship, I'd say we just keep "Curt". "BTW, it's Kirk" . . .

Posted by: zack9633 | February 3, 2011 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Devin Ebanks and a pick. Thank you, Lakers!

Posted by: willcopps | February 3, 2011 6:32 AM | Report abuse

From yesterday: "My own road woes." Why, Michael Lee, would you think anyone would care? Like the referees, you are tangential to the game, not essential.

Posted by: Fief1 | February 3, 2011 7:33 AM | Report abuse

re: Artest and Hinrich

The Lakers aren't going to trade Artest unless they find someone else who can do what he does on defense--and that someone isn't wearing a Wizards uniform.

Although Jackson may want Hinrich , LA doesn't seem to have any assets they'd be willing to trade that Washington would want.

They probably need to start looking for some younger players down the road, but I suspect the trade talk emanating from the Lakers now comes from the brass trying to get the troops riled up to play a little harder before March.

Posted by: nmik | February 3, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who enjoy arguing the merits (or demerits) of Washington's players on defense, here's a snapshot of the defense in the New Orleans loss:

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/02/charting-washington-wizards-defense-after-road-loss-25-new-orleans-hornets.html

Posted by: nmik | February 3, 2011 8:05 AM | Report abuse

The argument I saw on a Bulls blog was that if they had simply hung on to the players they drafted, and let them grow as a unit, and selectively picked up a quality free agent or two, they'd be a better team right now. The favorite in the East, went the argument.

Instead they went through a couple periods of frenzied trading and acquisition, like the Brand trade. And coaching changes, of course.

It was a persuasive argument.

But also unfair. Trades and acquisitions, as well as coaching and scheme changes, affect how the team drafts -- both where and who. Injuries might have worked out differently.

So ultimately it boiled down to a fantasy argument. Still, it raised a good question: is it better to draft a core and stick with them, dumping one only when you must (Eddy Curry or Jay Williams), or keep switching things around?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 3, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I ran across one player's poll that suggested most NBA types still favor the Lakers to win it all.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 3, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

KH will continue to have trade value from now on.There is no need to rash unless players like Odom are coming with multiple trades.Artest is a no no for wizard.Taking a trade exception with a 1st round pick or Blake is also a smart move. we will have about 8-10 million cup space just with this action to try to improve the team with free agency.I am not looking 1st round pick at 28-30 pick as a big deal,infact it is a bad in a weak draft.
the cup space will help us to land players like David west.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 3, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"the cup space will help us to land players like David west.Posted by: gtefferra"

I think you meant 'cap space'

Posted by: Samson151 | February 3, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Kirk and Dray to LA for Kobe and Pau. Get it done, Ernie!

Posted by: randysbailin | February 3, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Sign Artest just to start fights in practice to toughen up the Wiz's marshmellow soft frontcourt

Posted by: bernard_thompson | February 3, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I was wondering if maybe Chicago wanted to make an offer for Kirk.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 3, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Pls.... Hurry up and trade him before he gets trapped in the corner and turns the ball over again! The Wizards didn't resign 22-pac Shakur as I figured they wouldn't :( How come when the Wizards get guys know for shooting, they won't shoot the damn ball???

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | February 2, 2011 5:07 PM |

May have something to do with the structured offense. This is something I was getting at when I compared our offensive system to Boston's, but most wanted to point to Boston's HoFmer's and their playes compared to ours.

But I really wasn't comparing players, but instead how two different structured systems were being run.

A shooter that shoots depending on the structure of the offensive system may not get the opportunities. However, when Mike Miller was here, he riled us all for not shooting the ball, but we may never know if he wasn't just too involved in running the system.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 3, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Larry, there is no offensive system in existence in the NBA that would cause a good 3 pt shooter like Miller to pass on wide open 3 pters.

Posted by: ts35 | February 3, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I'd give Kirk more of a chance to prove himself here. Although, if John Wall is your man, then it may be tough to keep both of them around.

Flip and Blatche are the problems. I know that we have Blatche, Young and McGee as our young guys. And I know that they all make silly mistakes at times (or a lot). But there is just something about Blatche that tells me that he is not going to get any better. His body language is just off. He will be the player that can do all right in terms of his stats, but won't make your team any better. Young and McGee can do better, I feel. Young has already shown that he can hit his shots when it matters in the end. That is a huge asset.

And Flip has been given too many opportunities. Don't know what to add to that.

Posted by: sharedgum | February 3, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Playing Hinrich in the three guard offense was a waste for him. He is indeed a quality player. He has a bag of tricks. This team is just not a good supporting team that allows him to do all the things that make him a special player. I am not sure it will ever be that type of team. Hinrich in LA could be something special for him and that team. What do we get back, nothing with the way it stands. Sending him and Blatche sould shake up the roster. Forget Artest, too old and whacky. Maybe a third team enters the picture. We need a Zach Randolph, Elton Brand, type PF.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | February 3, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Lakers would have any problem trading Artest. The question is: why would anyone want him? He's 31 years old with 3 years left on his deal and in the midst of a career-worst season on a title contender. Does anyone really think he'd play (or behave) better on a dead-end lottery team? The Wiz are already overpaying for one 30+ vet with multiple years left, but at least hes a solid locker room presence. Artest is a ticking time-bomb. The Wiz have more than enough in-house drama already, they sure as hell don't need to import anymore.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 3, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"the cup space will help us to land players like David west.Posted by: gtefferra"


I think you meant 'cap space'

Posted by: Samson151 | February 3, 2011 8:49 AM

Or maybe he knows something about David West that we don't.

(BTW, David West is one of my least favorite players in the NBA. I'd really prefer not to see him in a Wizards uniform.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 3, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Aside from Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, or Odom (none of whom are in play) the Lakers have nothing to offer that would make the Wizards any better. Even if they got extra cap space this summer . . . so what? No difference-making FAs are going to roll into here yet, and Leonsis has pretty much said he's not just going to throw money at whatever players.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 3, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Ah, it ain't that the Lakers don't have anything to offer..we don't have anything to offer the Lakers..

I would trade Blatche for Artest everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, even at his (Artest's) age..

But what would LA do with Blatche. He would NEVER get off the bench. Are you kidding me? Kobe would have his foot so deep in Blatche's a** he would think it grew there...

Posted by: kevenjones | February 3, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

You do realize that the topic of the thread is the Lakers being interested in Kirk Hinrich, right? So when someone says "the Lakers have nothing to offer" it means nothing to offer for Kirk Hinrich that would make the Wizards any better?

Read twice, respond once. (Or, not at all. That works too.)

Ah . . .

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

don't think the Lakers would have any problem trading Artest. The question is: why would anyone want him? He's 31 years old with 3 years left on his deal and in the midst of a career-worst season on a title contender. Does anyone really think he'd play (or behave) better on a dead-end lottery team? The Wiz are already overpaying for one 30+ vet with multiple years left, but at least hes a solid locker room presence. Artest is a ticking time-bomb. The Wiz have more than enough in-house drama already, they sure as hell don't need to import anymore.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 3, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Didn't you write this? I was responding to this..where YOU mentioned Artest..

Posted by: kevenjones | February 3, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

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