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Posted at 7:26 PM ET, 02/26/2011

Open thread: Wizards (15-42) vs. Mavericks (41-16)

By Michael Lee

Josh Howard will face his former team for the first time since he was traded from Dallas to Washington before the trade deadline last season. "He'll be emotional," Coach Flip Saunders said. "It'll be the first time. We talked a little bit before, he said, 'I just want to win. I'm going to do what I can.' I think just because that's the only team he'd been with, and he's got guys that I'm sure they're friends and I'm sure he wants to play well." Caron Butler is still out with a ruptured right knee tendon, but DeShawn Stevenson and Brendan Haywood will return to Verizon Center for the first time since the trade as well. The Wizards have been to Dallas twice, in the preseason and the regular season, losing to 102-92 on Jan. 31. For the second night in a row, the Wizards will face a team that enters the game with a 41-16 record. Andray Blatche will miss his second straight game with a right hip strain.

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 8:00 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM. Check out a live box score from tonight's game here.

By Michael Lee  | February 26, 2011; 7:26 PM ET
 
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Comments

JAVALE SHOULD BE COMING OFF THE BENCH

Posted by: zack5 | February 26, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Amen! Javale is not ready!

Posted by: tseanw | February 26, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Props to NY on the circus ole' shot! J Wall still trying to do a little too much.

Posted by: zack5 | February 26, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Get McGee out of the Game!

Posted by: tseanw | February 26, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Tyson Chandler looked like an allstar. The middle was open for easy baskets all night

Posted by: zack5 | February 26, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

McGee CANNOT be coached!

He's as dumb as a bag of hammers and made Chandler look like an all-world center tonight by constantly trying to make improbable blocks from the weakside, whiffing and leaving bunnies for Chandler. What is it going to take for this pinhead to realize that sometimes the best move is to get position for the defensive rebound? Chandler definitely looked more pedestrian with Seraphin guarding him and when all is said and done, Seraphin is going to be the more solid big on this team (if he's not already).

Posted by: bobabuie | February 26, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice effort again. It was a fun game to watch. Free throws for the 1st 2 hours of practice and Flip needs to have a core group rotation instead of looking at the bench and flipping a coin. K Serp should be tried with starting line up. J Wall needs to turn it down just a little. I know he feels like he has no help out there but he can't do it all by himself.

Posted by: zack5 | February 26, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

He's as dumb as a bag of hammers Posted by: bobabuie

Great comment! lol

Posted by: zack5 | February 26, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Exciting competitive game.

Looks like Saunders has decided to UpTemPo a bit. A bit more laissez-faire a bit. Leave it to the players on the floor a bit more.

I've seen this act before by Mr. Saunders. Once he has time to acclimate all the new guys then its back to his sorry play running jump shooting system.

However, will Mr. Saunders learn this time? Especially with John Wall in the mix.

Will he learn that it is better to UpTemPo with structure by design than it is to play half-court with structure by design?

Will he learn this time?

Time will tell.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

This was something of a typical 2011 Wizards loss: they hit 5 more FGs than the opponent but lag by 15 at the line. Whatever happened to home court advantage?

Also that hole in the middle of the defense was definitely back. Whenever Tyson Chandler goes 10 for 14 -- well, let it speak for itself.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 26, 2011 11:27 PM | Report abuse

You folks that are hosing on McGee need to just stop it. It appears that you folks don't know basketball.

Word to the wise. Watch how Van Gundy has his Team play defense against guys driving into the paint v. the way Flip has our guys playing D on guys driving into the paint.

We release our guys freely into the paint but Van Gundy does not allow his defenders to release, they must continue to play D all the way to the board.

When this happens it is much easier for Howard, the big man (McGee) to help. When the driver to the lane is completely free as is the case with our defense, McGee or any big man, does not have a chance.

Holla at big dog when you know a thing or two about Defense and stop ragging on McGee.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Jordan Crawford, John Wall and Nick Young bring high energy and excitement to this team. Nobody expected them to defeat the Heat or the Mavericks. The Wizards hung in there against both teams. I actually enjoyed both games from start to finish. With the addition of a quality low post player via the draft or trade, the Wizards could make osme noise next season.

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 26, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

trading kirk and sitting blatche has noticeably upped the team's tempo and that's a good thing. Kirk's not coming back but Blatche is...and when he does I suspect pace will slow down again.

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2011 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"You folks that are hosing on McGee need to just stop it. It appears that you folks don't know basketball. Posted by LarryInClintonMD"

Well, it appears somebody doesn't know basketball. We just disagree on who it is.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 26, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

@musicmanjr,

You see something in this Team and I do too. I only wish that Mr. Saunders saw more in the Team, the players that is, than some idealistic system he thinks they should adhere to.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2011 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"He's as dumb as a bag of hammers Posted by: bobabuie "

This from the Redskins blog: he gets any dumber and they'll make him go down to the vet and get shots.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 26, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Samson151, the last time I checked I agreed with your point of view, so who is it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Dirk got the foul in the corner on his three point shot, but Young following got more contact on his shot in the corner for three but nothing was called, and he was the home player.

Where was the home cooking on this one. The Wiz get no respect.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

The highest rated dunk contes of ALL TIME. All four contestant lived up to the hype. But some folks rounds here that call themselves Washington Wizard fans have negative things to say about Javale McGee's participation.

Go Figure!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2011 12:02 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: humen8r | February 27, 2011 12:03 AM | Report abuse

The reason that it was so high, the dunk contes. Is that every body came out to see Blake. the other 3 was just apart of the scene.

Posted by: maejude | February 27, 2011 1:06 AM | Report abuse

If Blake got that much pull he will not be with the Clippers for long. NBA lure says the Clippers will never win anything sharing an Arena with the Lakers. It's already been said that Blake has to leave the Clips and it is in the NBA interest.

But give all the credit to Blake all you want as apparently the League did, but time will tell how all that really pans out.

McGee, McGee. Blake doesn't play for the Bullets.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2011 1:47 AM | Report abuse

The more I see of Seraphin the more enthused I am about his potential. Last few games he's been more than just a big body bruisin' around out on the floor,. He's shown some nice back in post moves and anice looking jump hook that he's gotten off against bigger defenders. I'm really looking forward to see what he can do with a full healthy summer of work under his belt going into next season. And it's obviously a very small sample, but Jordan Crawford did some very nice things. He could be solid 3rd guard down the road.

I think this team is heading in the right direction in a number of ways. Hopefully the can find a way not to be too weighed down by lingering baggage from the past.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2011 2:00 AM | Report abuse

To LarryInClintonMD:

LarryInClintonMD, why do you think Javale McGee is a good center? He constantly puts himself out of position for the rebound in favor of the block. That is bad team defense. Do you think we should give him props for showing up at the dunk contest? He did a'aight. But that night belonged to Griffin. Should we give you props for signing your name at the end of each of your comments? When your name is just repeated right after? So annoying. So annoying.

This is Don Pardo saying, this is Don Pardo saying goodnight...

Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | February 27, 2011 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Dear Flip, Ernie, and Ted,

Can I please come to Verizon Center and teach Javale McGee how to box out the closest man.

Signed,

Rebound

Posted by: paulb3rd | February 27, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Go Figure!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

So So REDUNANT but also so LarryInClintonMD

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Kalo, I agree with your Seraphin observation. Those little hook shots with the right AND left hands were very encouraging signs that this guy has some real skills around the basket. Remember, before he came to the team this summer he was recovering from a knee injury. I anticipate that with a summer of hard work, he will be a real factor at the PF spot.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 27, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

PF? K Serp is more suited at tne Center position with Booker at PF. The sooner we realize that McGee is not ready to be a starter in this LEAGUE, the better we'll understand being trade bait. Took B Haywood a couple of years to come around but he had a big man coach here with P Ewing. Also think we should try to bring C Butler back, he's a free agent at the end of the season. VETERAN LEADERSHIP

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

".....think we should try to bring C Butler back, he's a free agent at the end of the season....." zack5

"back" into the future? I think not.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

"back" into the future? I think not.

Posted by: glawrence007

You gotta mix some veterans in with this young group not just expiring contracts. Someone with substance and ability to teach and help the younger player. Who else do you suggest?

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

@Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot,

Watch the defensive play of our Team very closely. Watch why McGee constantly goes for blocks in the lane. Once you see why he ends up mostly out of position, you will not have to ask me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

@ Janitor

I think the reason McGee moves off his man for the block is you give up a free layup if you don't. Then McGee gets crap for not trying to defend the paint. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't. Also, where's the rotation? If McGee leaves his man to help, doesn't that mean someone else needs to help on McGee's man? Where's the criticism for that?

Where's the criticism for the team's guards who let their man go wherever they want on the court? The entire team plays terrible help defense. No one can seal off a baseline. Rotations are always slow.

The entire team plays terrible defense.

Love what I saw from Crawford last night. Very good court vision for a young guy. Loved the passing. Can get to the basket when he wants it seems. Can't wait to see him progress. Could be a very good spark off the bench in the future.

Posted by: VaWizard85 | February 27, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

zack5,

"You gotta mix some veterans in with this young group not just expiring contracts. Someone with substance and ability to teach and help the younger player. Who else do you suggest?"

Re-sign Josh Howard.

No disrespect to Butler, who was good player when he was here, but Howard is a better fit for where this team is right now. Even in their best years, Howard was a better all-around player than Butler. At this stage in their careers Butler may be the better offensive player (depending on his injury recovery); I doubt he'll be much better defensively.

Posted by: JPRS | February 27, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Re-sign Josh Howard."

I like Josh but we have to be realists: since arriving here, he's been active for 17 games.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"I agree with your Seraphin observation."

So do I. Plus it's hard to imagine him dropping outside for a jumper. Also he's just plain fun to watch.

There'll be some stinkers in his future, but at least it appears he has one.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I like what I see from Seraphin with his post up game. He has that big body that is hard to get around and he has a soft touch around the rim. He also uses both hands which Javale really needs to learn how to use as well.
Jordan Crawford, I like where this kid can possibly become. He can find his own shot, has nice court awareness, and can be a nice player coming off the bench. High energy to run with JW.
We now need some DEFENSE somewhere.

Posted by: bullwiz81 | February 27, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Seraphin can log serious minutes at C. He just doesn't have the height. He's lucky if he's 6'9".

He's gotten leaner since the beginning of the year, and I expect that he will convert some of that beef from fat to muscle.

I also have to say, that it is really refreshing not to have the human black hole in the lineup.

Does Crawford make NY expendable? Can Crawford be a starting 2? I don't know yet, but I will be watching his game closely b/c I don't think NY deserves starting 2 guard money. As great a scorer as he is, he's a below average defender, and doesn't do anything else well.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 27, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Yep, Seraphin should have been the first off the bench at center well before now. All that time with Yi at center was sort of a waist to me. I preferred having Yi spell Andre.

Now, hopefully we don't go back to Yi as the center backup. But, with Flip you never know.

You see with me, I've always felt that you just have to go with what you have and stop nitpicking the lack of experience and what a player should be doing.

If a young player is any good, just put him out there and let him get his clock cleaned.

Talk about rebuilding and developing, I don't like seeing the bench used as a teaching tool as much as this coach does.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Re-sign Josh Howard.

No disrespect to Butler, who was good player when he was here, but Howard is a better fit for where this team is right now. Even in their best years, Howard was a better all-around player than Butler. At this stage in their careers Butler may be the better offensive player (depending on his injury recovery); I doubt he'll be much better defensively.

Posted by: JPRS

I would say yes to this move but EG hurt the relationship with J Howard with the low ball 1 yr deal. He took it to showcase that the knee wouldn't be a problem for other teams. Unrestricted free agent that will ge offers from other teams. Low balling players rarely work out in your favor.

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

@Samson151,

Last year was a freakish thing -- a little like Butler's injury for the Mavs. This year it was pretty much expected that he was going to miss time. The $3 million base deal with incentives for one year deal was a pretty decent hedge against re-injury.

Out of the three free agents at the position currently on the roster (four if you include Yi), he's the one who appears to rank at the top of the depth chart.

Of course it's a little silly to speculate at this point of the season with the new CBA still unresolved. I'd be a little surprised though if the Wizards didn't make an attempt to resign him if he finishes the year in good health.

Posted by: JPRS | February 27, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The ball movement and flow was better without A Blatche in the game. He wasn't really missed in the line up as far as team effort and scoring. Would him in the lineup had changed the outcome? We really don't know but the last 2 games showed that the ball sharing opened up a lot of looks for shooters. The debate is are they better with or without him?

McGee needs some serious teaching that he doesn't need to shoot every time he touches the ball. He was the same way when Ed Tapscott was coaching team but still hasn't learn that he isn't option 1 or 2 for scoring. Maybe there's time to learn from the bench.

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Seraphin can log serious minutes at C. He just doesn't have the height. He's lucky if he's 6'9".

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 27, 2011 10:38 AM

6'9", but tough as nails. Tough today ain't what it used to be. Take a guy like Wes Unseld who was only 6'6", a tenacious rebounder and the only player besides Wilt to win both Rookie of Year and Most Valuable Player.

Height isn't the measure of whether a guy can play center. It is more the skills and the heart of the Lion within.

Be aware that Seraphin is only 21 and he might get another growth spurt like McGee did who is 23.

However, Seraphin's toughness and his surprising touch around the basket makes him a much better fit at center than PF any day of the week.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's Josh Howard's most recent four seasons:

07-08: 76 games
08-09: 52
09-10: 35
10-11: 13

Plus his average minutes (when he does play) have decreased from 36 to 24.

We really should be very cautious with a contract for this player.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

At this point I am just looking forward to the draft. I am interested in seeing more of Seraphin, Booker, and Crawford.

As far as the draft, some of the players I am looking at as potential fits for this team...

With the 1st pick we have to take a look at C Enes Kanter. Other than him the player I really like is SF Terrance Jones from Kentucky.

With the later picks (1st rounder from ATL and our 2nd rounder), some players I like that may still be available later:

C/PF Patric Young
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patric-Young-5746/

PF Markieff Morris
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Markieff-Morris-5179/

SF Chris Singleton
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Singleton-1342/


Basically looking to do something like we did last draft, a highly skilled player with the 1st pick, and a couple rebounder/defender types with upside with the later picks.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 27, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

@zack5,

That might be true -- just like in this past off-season it depends on what other teams are looking for and what other kind of offers are on the table.

As far as the original question goes: "What veteran . . ." I'd still say Josh Howard based on where the Wizards are in their development and the kind of financial commitment they're likely to make in this upcoming free agent market. He may chose to go elsewhere, but the Wizards should still make an effort to resign him.

I don't think Ted and EG will start seriously considering opening the wallet and making long-term deals with free agents until the 2012 off-season.

Posted by: JPRS | February 27, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What I like about Seraphin is that he seems to be able to hold position underneath against physical big men. We haven't had that around here in a while. Looks unusually quick for somebody of his build. Some of what we're seeing now, from both him and Booker, is fresh legs. But overall he seems like someone who (once he learns the position) can match up against eighty percent of the NBA's big men. And Shaq will have retired by then.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

PLAYING @ GM:

So who do we get in this draft, a C first, or a SF? I think CRAWFORD's gonna' be the third guard we need. BIBBY's strictly putting in the time. And I like BOOKER. Also, SERAPHIN's beginning to come around. Always liked his nasty attitude. Loved it when he dumped KING JAMES on his azz the other night.

@ the five:

McGEE
N'DIAYE
draft pick

@ the five/four:

JIANLIAN

@ the four:

BLATCHE
LEWIS
SERAPHIN

@ the four/three:

BOOKER

@ the three:

HOWARD
THORNTON
EVANS
draft pick

@ the three/two:

MARTIN

@ the two:

YOUNG
CRAWFORD

@ the one

WALL
BIBBY

I would try to move any of JIANLIAN, THORNTON, MARTIN, and BIBBY after the draft. Or maybe before, depending on what's out there, and what comes to us in return or in the draft. These guys will not stand up to what we need to re-build.

As the frontcourt remains thin at center, and as N'DIAYE [$473,604 - No Contract for next season] is a complete unknown, JIANLIAN [$5,403,336 - QA] is our best option as a keeper of that quintet for the forseeable future. But I think an offer is less than fifty percent, and is only made if we strike out looking elsewhere for another combo 5/4, and a draft pick at C.

I would trade BLATCHE if possible. You're evidently not going to see anything out of him until his next expiring contract year. And that's quite awhile [four + seasons].

Re-sign JOSH HOWARD [$3 million-FA] for next year. There's enough promise to at least bring him back. His knee injury appears to be alot like ARENAS', and next season he should be able to play two-thirds of the games. For his level of play, 3 mill is a good trade for 50 games more or less.

MO EVANS' contract [$2,500,000} is up, and I think he's gone. For sure, we take a three in the draft. Only question is where, ours or ATL's. If THORNTON [$3,914,546 - TO] is dealt, we try to keep EVANS as bench material. I think we wants more, and will leave. Then maybe we exercise the team option on THORNTON.

If BIBBY buys out his contract for next season [$6,217,617] for five mill or so, great. I think EG is counting on it. Try to get LIVINGSTON back.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

@JPRS

As far as Ted opening up his wallet to bring free agents in, it's a 2 way street, free agents have to want to come here to play. Usually, you want the free agents that want to win and not just chasing a the big contract and most of them want pieces there or a team with a tradition of winning. Were not either one of those but you never know. Nobody could predict Gilbert Arenas being as good as he became nor would think he would fall from grace as soon or as hard as he did. I can't think of any free agents that would come here if we had the same money or slightly less on the table with 15 other teams. We would probably be on the lower end of the 15 teams the way the roster stands today, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

@zack5,

Makes sense. The Wizards have one key piece right now in Wall. They have a few promising question marks in some of the other younger players. They still probably need to get lucky and find a quality starter in this year's draft.

Also, most of the big money left on Lewis's contract comes off the books after next season. That's when I'd expect them to consider making bigger moves through free agency to fill in any holes.

Right now, they would probably have to overpay in order to get in-their prime near-elite type players -- not too many of those players in this upcoming free-agent market anyways.

Posted by: JPRS | February 27, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Ted Leonsis announced that with the 3 first round draft picks in the up coming draft the Wiz will have completed their "core" youth movement.

The next phase is to bring in veterans. Looking over potential free agents in 2011 and 2012, he's got some slim pickings.

For help in the front court:
Hilario FA 2011
Yao FA 2011
AK47 FA 2011
For those who dream big:
Superman FA 2012

None of those cats are coming here with the reputation his organization is still saddled with.

Should the Wiz look to take a gamble on Greg Oden?

I wonder why is it that after nearly three quarters of the season has passed Flip decides now to play more uptempo basketball?

He did the same thing last year after the trades.

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 27, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Why does Flip have to rip Mcgee every chsnce he gets . I tnink Mcgee knows that Chandler got the upper hand, and its motivating him. His body language after a shot rimmed out or he gave demonstrates that he is not just motivated by highlight reel dunks.

Nobody is talking about what a good ooach Mike Brown must have been in Cleveland. The Heatles are no better than Cleveland was lthe last two years. I recall Cleveland actually having a decent record when Lebron was out.Against elite teams, the Heat are much more less competitive against elite teams than those Cavs teams. I think Mike Brown brought tremendous discipline to that team. He is of the Popovich school of preventing transition points. I think he might be the perfect fit and will have a lot more credibility when the Heat go out in the conference semis to boston or chicago,

Posted by: audacitea | February 27, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

zack5:

I would, and I think EG came to that conclusion as he began unwinding the team last season [that prick ILGAUSKIS comes to mind]. He feels the only way back to being a destination players want to be is to build through the draft, and through young players like CRAWFORD for more experienced players like HINRICH.

The cupboard's pretty bare now. I can't see much coming back for BIBBY, MARTIN, THORNTON or JIANLIAN. Maybe BLATCHE whose four year plus contract is an asset only in that way.

I'm thinking they're keeping N'DIAYE under wraps so they can re him up for next season cheap. Just don't know if he's got any potential at center or not.

I think you've gotta' sign HOWARD, and ink a draftee at three. There you keep THORNTON or EVANS and as THORNTON is under team control, he's the most likely candidate for next season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Playing GM:

"....For help in the front court:
Hilario FA 2011
Yao FA 2011
AK47 FA 2011
For those who dream big:
Superman FA 2012

None of those cats are coming here with the reputation his organization is still saddled with.

Should the Wiz look to take a gamble on Greg Oden?...." bozomoeman

I wouldn't want any of them.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Curan Butler or Josh Howard? I really think it's a possibility that they can keep Josh Howard but it'll cost them a longer term deal. 3-5 yrs min. I think Ernie has a thought that Butler will be a viable option if he can get the right deal done for Howard. Butler said all the right thins last night and knows enough about the organization to not try to strap them for money. After watching Hughes,Livingston and Mason all get away on low ball moves, be surprised if Josh don't walk out that same door.

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"can't" get the right deal for Howard

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

DC area is a major sports town. I would be hard to believethat you couldn't luure an allstar player here but until they are a playoff team, that may very well be the case.

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

We HAVE to get a starting center!!

2 guys I like are Marc Gasol and Andrew Bogut.

I'd consider something like McGee and Thornton, and perhaps the ATL pick for Gasol.

Blatche, McGee, Thornton for Bogut is a deal I'd consider also. I could see the Bucks liking McGee as a good tandem with Jennings and someone who would sell tickets there.


IF we can get a legit starting center, draft a stud SF like Terrance Jones, and pick up a banger later in the draft like Patric Young or Markieff Morris that would be a great offseason!

IMO something like a Bogut, Lewis, T.Jones front court would be vastly better than what we have now... Seraphin, Yi, Booker, and possibly Howard off the bench.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 27, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@ Darnerll.

I don't think Terrance Jones would be a good guy to bring in here. From what I've heard, he's a ballhog, me first player. It's been reported him and coach Cal have gotten into it because he doesn't pass the ball. No need to add one of those guys in here.

I'd much rather add Kanter to the mix in our front court. If the Wiz want to be able to compete with Eastern star studded teams, they've got to build a front court with those teams being weak in that area. Kanter would be able to add pick and roll/pop to the offense. He battles on the boards. And I've read he's an IQ guy.

I'd rather get Chris Singleton with that other 1st round pick to add a young SF. He's a quick, physical freak at the position who plays defense. With Melo added to East along with Lebron and Paul, we need an athlete to slow them down as much as possible. Singleton would be the perfect guy to do that. He's like a Josh Smith lite. It's time to add some toughness and D to the wings.

Then with the 2nd, grab Matt Lighty who can swing between the 1 and 2. He does just about everything well, but is a monster on ball defender. He will need to add strength to compete, but he's smart and uses positioning well. He passes well and can score a little. He'd be a perfect role player type to add to the team.

With a little more size and some defensive minded wing players, the team should definitely be able to improve. It'd be nice to have some guys who can keep players out of the paint and relieve some pressure on our bigs.

Posted by: VaWizard85 | February 27, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

David Lighty....not Matt

Posted by: VaWizard85 | February 27, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

If EG traded McGee, 85% would complain about EG trading awaya future prospect and not getting him the teacher he needs to get better and more calls for EG's job would come out of the woodwork. Totally would disagree with that line of thinking.

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

zack5,

I would be very surprised if Howard received a 5 year deal at this point in his career. A deal structured something like the Livingston deal with a two year contract and a third year as a team option might happen. The knee injury and declining production are going to limit his options though.

As far as the other players go, it wasn't always about the money. For some it was an interest in playing for a top-notch organization that was in the position to be a contender (Mason), or getting a chance to actually get some playing time and maybe even start (Livingston). In the case of Larry Hughes (and Jared Jeffries) Grunfeld's decision to not get in a bidding war turned out to be smart moves. The Hughes move would have been a real blunder (5 years and $70 mill -- there was only one season where he played more than 41 regular season games).

Posted by: JPRS | February 27, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

No, Mason left because the Wizards wouldn't match the offer he got from San Antonio. They were already over the cap and didn't have the money to pay him what the Spurs offered. Glen Consuer (maybe miss spelled) said so on his post game show. Wiz had a chance to re-sign Livingston but didn't make him an offer so he took the contract offered by Charlotte. Livingston would have been an easy signing because the kid was trying to stick in the NBA. you may be right on Hughes but he was offered a low tendering offer. I'd like to see Howard stay but the real question is why he felt he had to jump out and extend A Blatche's contract?

Posted by: zack5 | February 27, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"No, Mason left because the Wizards wouldn't match the offer he got from San Antonio. They were already over the cap and didn't have the money to pay him what the Spurs offered. Glen Consuer (maybe miss spelled) said so on his post game show. Wiz had a chance to re-sign Livingston but didn't make him an offer so he took the contract offered by Charlotte. Livingston would have been an easy signing because the kid was trying to stick in the NBA."

OK, this (above) is pretty off-base. But it's been gone over so many times here on WI that we won't trod this ground again.

BTW, Roger's basically been out of the NBA this season -- 1 game with the Knicks.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that thinks that Javalle McGee is a good player, clearly has not watched much of the Wiz games this or last season. He is CLUELESS AND LAZY. He get out hustled and out muscled by Tyson Chandler play after play.

He is intimidated by players just as tall as he is and stronger than he is. It's pitiful!

Additionally, Seraphin has NO basketball skills whatsoever! Granted, he plays hard but he has no idea what a post move is...

Thanks Ernie G!

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

mgee continues to show he has no substance and covets highlight reel dunks over rebounds. He consistanly leaves the middle to go for blocks at the three point line. Team looks better with Blatche on the bench. stay hurt Blatche and give Booker (a real inside player) Time to take ur job which u dont deserve!

Posted by: jreed63 | February 27, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"Additionally, Seraphin has NO basketball skills whatsoever! Granted, he plays hard but he has no idea what a post move is...
Thanks Ernie G!Posted by: squidward1"

Sure he does. He even has a couple. They're just not where they need to be. But somehow I doubt this will ever be a finesse player. He's a power type... remember power basketball? Been a while since we had one around Washington. I'm trying to recall the last one...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I should point out that Tyson Chandler used to get exactly the same criticism that McGee now draws -- too willowy, doesn't establish position, can't shoot beyond three feet... this is his 10th year and it took much of that time to become the player he is now.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

@Samson151

True, and its not totally his fault. The Wizards coaching staff is devoid of anyone that can teach their "post players" how to actually play in the post (offensively or defensively). It is evident in Seraphine's and Javalles' lack of skill.

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I should point out that Tyson Chandler used to get exactly the same criticism that McGee now draws

Then you should also point out that Tyson Chandler came into the league out of high school. By Javale's age, Tyson had signed a 6yr/$63mil deal.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 27, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

@Samson151

True, and its not totally his fault. The Wizards coaching staff is devoid of anyone that can teach their "post players" how to actually play in the post (offensively or defensively). It is evident in Seraphine's and Javalles' lack of skill.

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 7:38 PM
Dwight Howard, in an interview with ESPN, stated that working with Ewing and Hakeem was great but he gives most of the credit to the hours he put in the gym by himself constantly working. Javale and Seraphin don't need a former all star to coach them, they need more time in the gym. Javales only in his 3rd year and Seraphin in his first. Give them time.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | February 27, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

@Wizbullets88

I totally disagree. Putting in more time at the gym practicing the wrong things leads to sweeping/running jump hooks and idiotic defensive 3 second violations.

He clearly needs proper coaching. I did not say anything about a former all-star coach. Javalle has been in the nba almost 4 years and still is unable to perform a turnaround jumper or an up-and-under move? That is inexcusable.

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards coaching staff is devoid of anyone that can teach their "post players" how to actually play in the post (offensively or defensively). It is evident in Seraphine's and Javalles' lack of skill."

Not sure that's the case, or if it's just accepted wisdom around here. The presumption being that unless you've got a designated 'big man coach', preferably a HoF center, your staff is incomplete. But Pete Newell would have advised us that teaching post play has little to do with having excelled at something yourself.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards coaching staff is devoid of anyone that can teach their "post players" how to actually play in the post (offensively or defensively). It is evident in Seraphine's and Javalles' lack of skill."

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 7:38 PM

Except Seraphin doesn't lack skill. The last few games he's shown off a few nice (if still raw and developing) looking post moves. What he lacks is experience (and, earlier in the seasons, conditioning, confidence, and familiarity, all largely results of his being hurt over the summer and missing out on all the team's offseason traing ativities).

"Javalle has been in the nba almost 4 years and still is unable to perform a turnaround jumper or an up-and-under move? That is inexcusable."

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 8:22 PM

Guys like Dampier, Dalembert, Ratliff, etc. have been in the league for 10* years and none of them can execute a turnaround jumper or up-and-under move. Are they "inexcusable"? Or are they simply not offensively skilled players?

McGee is never going to be a significant offensive player in the NBA. He just doesn't have the goods. His lot in the NBA is shot-blocking, rebounding, and hustle. He;s got the shot-blocking down (sort of), but he's still got plenty of work to do in the other areas. His time would be much better spent homing those skills than working on offensive moves.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

We on the blogs also rush to judgment with young players. We had folks here on WI babbling about how Seraphin would 'never' be ready to play in the NBA and even how he was too short to ever play against big men. Same thing with Booker. We're so accustomed to this torrent of unsubstantiated opinion that we're in danger of accepting it as reality due to sheer repetition.

Truth is, we're just beginning to find out what Kevin and Trevor can do.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

@Kalo

Dampier? Ratliff? You can't be serious. Those guys have/had no athletic ability at all. If you don't have a better argument than that, please direct your insanity to another "poster".

The reason I expect more from Javelle is that he has all the athletic ability in the world. If he could only be more of a professional and work on his craft, he could be a great player.

This the problem with Wizards fans. You are willing to accept mediocrity. I am not. I've spent good money for the past 10 years on season tickets and I will not accept mediocrity or lazy play when i see it.

Seraphine on the other hand is a lost cause. It's not all his fault because he should not have been drafted and should not be in the NBA. I don't blame him for taking my money though.

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"Dampier? Ratliff? You can't be serious. Those guys have/had no athletic ability at all. If you don't have a better argument than that, please direct your insanity to another "poster."

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 9:27 PM

(A) You were talking about skill. Skill has absolutely nothing to do with athletic ability. In his young days Ben Wallace had a ton of athletic ability and a great work ethic. Fourteen years into his career, he still doesn't have a shred of actual offensive skill. Conversely, Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson can't jump over their own shadows and both garnered early reps for being less than diligent workers (actually, they garnered reps for being lazy slugs), but they're two of the most offensively skilled big men in the NBA. Some guys have it, some guys don't. It's exceedingly rare for a player to make it to the NBA level (let alone three years into his career) with no discernible offensive skills to develop anything more than the most rudimentary offensive arsenal. And even that's rare. Howard appears to be something of an exception but:

  1. He came right to of H.S. (as opposed to McGee who apparently failed to learn anything in his two years in college), meaning he still had some space left on his learning curve, and

  2. He had the benefit of that weaponized NBA body to augment whatever early skill deficit he had.

(B) When he was younger, Theo Ratliff could jump out of the building. You don't average 3-4 bpg (which Ratliff did multiple times early in his career) without athletic ability. So, you have no idea what you're talking about there (no shock).

(C) Any particular reason why "poster" is in quotes? (This ought to be good.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

ADDENDUM:

(B) When he was younger, Theo Ratliff could jump out of the building. You don't average 3-4 bpg (which Ratliff did multiple times early in his career) at his size (6' 10" listed, but not that big, really) without athletic ability. So, you have no idea what you're talking about there (no shock).

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

@kalo's incomprehensible rant...

"If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

I'm going to pretend that his post is a felled tree in the forest.

Posted by: squidward1 | February 27, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

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