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Posted at 2:20 PM ET, 02/22/2011

Post Sports Live: Does Carmelo trade shift the power in the East?

By Washington Post editors

By Washington Post editors  | February 22, 2011; 2:20 PM ET
 
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No. The Knicks basically gutted their team for one guy, a guy who's only gotten out of the first round once in 7 years. The Knicks have gotten older, smaller, and thinner (in terms of depth). It's hard to see them making a major push in the East this season. If they overtake Atlanta for the 5th spot, I'll be surprised. Going forward, the offseason labor/contract issues cast a cloud over everything.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I think the only thing Carmelo shifts is his address to the East.
D'Antoni's system of fast pace offense and who cares defense won't win at the NBA level.

Now, if CP comes in next offseason and the Knicks take a shot at Yao or Oden and it pans out and if D'Antoni is replaced...

Hmmm...my post reads like a Wizard off season pipe dream...

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 22, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"I think the only thing Carmelo shifts is his address to the East.
D'Antoni's system of fast pace offense and who cares defense won't win at the NBA level."

I think we have to give D'Antoni more credit than that. His system can win at the NBA level, and has, for years on end. He's not managed a title, but he's gotten fairly far in the playoffs with teams that perhaps shouldn't.

But do I think there's a title waiting in NY with the present club? Of course not. They're a core player short, plus some supporting cast members.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Well, if we're doling out credit, a sizable chunk of it has to go to Steve Nash, who did more with D'Antoni's system than most players would have been able to.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

If I had to identify a need for the Knicks, it wouldn't have been a scoring SF. It would have been a rebounder/defensive ace in the middle, so Amare could go back to playing offense.

I think maybe the real beneficiary of the Anthony trade is New Jersey, depending on what they do with those draft choices they didn't send to Denver.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The Celtics are still the best team in the NBA. To say the "power has shifted" is completely wrong.

One thing I will say is everybody keeps forgetting about Billups. While he is past his prime he can still run an offense, he doesn't have to score a ton of points like he did in Detriot.

The Knicks can build around there two stars now, much easier doing it that way then the other way around.

Gotta be excited if you're a Knicks fan. They are one or two "role" players away from being a legit contender.

I hope Ted is taking notes.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 22, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Carmelo is 26yrs old, it's a strong play from the Knicks. The reality is for all they gave up, there's still only a small chance any piece of it amounts to a player as good as Anthony. No D'Antoni team will ever win it all given the style of play, so they probably arent that far away from being as good as that type of team can become.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"If I had to identify a need for the Knicks, it wouldn't have been a scoring SF. It would have been a rebounder/defensive ace in the middle, so Amare could go back to playing offense."

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2011 4:09 PM

In terms of on-court/winning needs, that's true. But that wasn't all (or even mostly) what this trade was about. This trade is a continuation of the same philosophy owner James Dolan has used to run the Knicks going back to the ill-fated Ewing trade: No rebuilding; NY must have stars. The Knicks sell glitz and excitement and sex appeal as much as they sell basketball. From a marketing standpoint Gallinari, Chandler, and Felton were not very sexy. Anthony, however, gives them a commodity that can pimp . . . I mean, sell . . . to their fans, the media, and (most importantly) to other players as an enticement to get them to come to NY.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"One thing I will say is everybody keeps forgetting about Billups. While he is past his prime he can still run an offense, he doesn't have to score a ton of points like he did in Detriot."

Posted by: rmcazz | February 22, 2011 4:15 PM

Except (A) the Knicks gave up about 50 ppg in the deal (between Gallinari, Felton, and Chandler), which means that unless Anthony puts up 35-40 per night, Billups to score a ton of points to help make up for the loss, (B) Billups' style is not really a good fit for D'Antoni's offense, which requires a quick PG who can constantly push the bal in transition; that's not Billups' game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

That should read:

". . . unless Anthony puts up 35-40 per night, Billups will have to score a ton of points . . .

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

New Jersey will have a ton of money next year. It will be interesting to see if they go after David West, and if New Orleans matches.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 22, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Which Knicks player was going to be anything special? Seems like 3 ok players plus Mosgov in exchange for a top10 player. 2014 1st pick isnt an issue unless they are terrible in 2013. Two 2nd round picks...big deal. Are the Knicks now going to win a Championship soon? I certainly dont think so, but they'll be much better than if they didnt acquire Anthony. The team as constructed was 2 games above .500 in the East and Gallinari wasnt evolving into KG. They're far better off now, have their 2 horses and didnt give up their upcoming 1st round picks so they can still add cheap talent. Now they can look at a defensive, rebounding big like Markief Morris as just what they need and available later in the 1st round. Meanwhile the Wizards are hoping to win the lotto again, at which point it would be time to pray the guy picked isnt a bust from a weak draft class.

The Nets deal looked much better for Denver imo, would imagine they are miffed Anthony wouldnt take it

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Oops, West is unrestricted, so New Orleans doesn't get to match. Bad news for the Hornets.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 22, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You get smaller in getting Carmelo and as one poster noted, that is not agood thing...They have Orlando, Boston, Miami and a few others to hurdle and small won't get it...all flash and no defense never carries you very far...

Posted by: pentagon40 | February 22, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Aside from putting up big numbers on middling playoff teams and getting a lot of face-time on camera, what's so "special" about Anthony? The Nuggets have gotten out of the 1st round once in his 7 years there, and pretty much everyone gave the bulk of the credit for that to the arrival of Billups and his steady attitude and veteran leadership. Based on what he's shown thus far, there's no reason to think Anthony is any more than a new decade's version of Vince Carter.

He does one thing that has any impact on a game, and that's score points. Problem is, the amount of points he scores comes up short of the amount of points the Knicks gave up in the players they traded. It's a basic cost/reward, plus/minus equation.

But, like I said, this trade was clearly about more that scoring points and winning games. It remains to be seen if it's successful along those other dimensions.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

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