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Posted at 2:49 PM ET, 02/24/2011

Wizards done dealing

By Michael Lee

Barring something miraculous, the Wizards are done dealing. The Kirk Hinrich move will serve as the last trade before the deadline arrives in about 10 minutes. Be back with a wrap-up in a few. You guys satisfied?

By Michael Lee  | February 24, 2011; 2:49 PM ET
 
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No. Youth is fine as a theory, but when yours is underachievers like McGee, Blatche, and Young, not so much. Especially when keep doing the same dumb stuff.

Posted by: joe2chase | February 24, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Green to the Cs for Perkins and Nate...interesting deal on both sides

Posted by: divi3 | February 24, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with joe2chase. Ernie has to get rid of most of the underachievers. He must not like his job.

Note to Teddy L. - Clean sweep, yes make a clean sweep this off season. No Flip no Ernie...please!

Posted by: Berndaddy | February 24, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

barring a miracle theres no way you can move Rashard Lewis's contract but if the bucks got into the playoff's last year with Michael Redd's contract then i guess we can live with it for two years.

Posted by: jefferu | February 24, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I will not be satisfied until Andray Blatche is off this roster.

Posted by: rucks35 | February 24, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Which team get better with this season trade ?
The #1 team is OC, they found what they need.I think they will be real contenders.
2/ Cavs. have increased their chance to get #1 pick to 45%, good move but no LJ or BG type of player in this season draft.
3/Wizard got something out of noting, a better position than their own 1st round pick.
4/The bad trade of the season is the move of CA to NY.They will never win with CA and AS, they both are poor defenders.I will give high value to CB, he he might help them to be better but they gave up too much.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 24, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm very satisfied. Now we just have to hope we get lucky with the draft picks and that John Wall becomes the undisputed leader of our growing bunch of youngsters (Blatche and Young included).

Posted by: jon_quest | February 24, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Green to the Cs for Perkins and Nate...interesting deal on both sides

Posted by: divi3 | February 24, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What are the Celtics thinking? I mean Green is a really nice player but where is he suppose to fit in with Pierce at SF and KG at PF? Trade makes no sense from there side.

Bizzare, wish the Wizards would have gotten in on Green. Much better PF option then any they currently have.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 24, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Very satisfied. Late first round picks and even second rounders can be good. Just takes some luck. Arenas, Paul Millsap. Boozer, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker come to mind as late choices that turned out well. I'm sure there are many others. For every one of those, there are lots of busts, and every GM has them.

Point is, you need lots of these picks to have a chance to get a good one. The more you have, the better the odds. Wiz had three first rounders last year and two so far in 2011. It's a great plan.

Posted by: EdDC | February 24, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Joe. The Wiz have done a horrible job of developing talent and drafting talent. I give the edge on this trade to the Hawks.

Posted by: Boogadiggy | February 24, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Actually it's Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic to Boston for Kendrick and Nate. Wow, color me surprised. I know OKC has been longing for a physical center. From NESN:

"The C's had two reasons to unload Perkins -- the first being his contract, which expires at the end of this season, and the second being his injury history. The big man had recently encountered trouble with both knees, tearing his right ACL during the NBA Finals last June and straining his left MCL this week. Perkins was nearing the end of his eighth season in Celtic green."

"As for Robinson, his role on the Celtics' bench had started to become obsolete with the return of Delonte West and the strong play of Von Wafer."

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Green to the Cs for Perkins and Nate...interesting deal on both sides

Posted by: divi3 | February 24, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What are the Celtics thinking? I mean Green is a really nice player but where is he suppose to fit in with Pierce at SF and KG at PF? Trade makes no sense from there side.

Bizzare, wish the Wizards would have gotten in on Green. Much better PF option then any they currently have.

Posted by: dcinmd1


Gives them good depth and injury protection in the short-term, but also a good young player for after Garnett, Pierce and Allen eventually retire.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Perkins for Green. Wow.
I guess Ainge sees Erden as the future.
Green can give them minutes at the 3 and 4.
Wasn't it Ainge that drafted Green then shipped him and Delonte West to Seattle for Ray Allen?
Now both are back in Boston with a championship caliber team. No too shabby.

Perkins is just what OKC need. Big defensive minded banger.

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 24, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

That Celtics/Thunder deal is very interesting. Either the Celtics are worried that Perk's latest knee injury will be an ongoing problem and were looking to shore up the front line against further injury or, in anticipation of the lockout and tighter cap/CBA, they're positioning themselves to shed salary in preparation for the inevitable post Big 3 rebuild. Plus, Semeh Erden has shown to be a capable contributor. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Green (who's a FA after the season) walk.

Still, giving up a 26-year-old C who was a starter on a championship team? Didn't see that coming.

Assuming that Perkins comes back from the current knee problem (A) soon and (B) in good form, this is a great deal for OKC, however. He's exactly the kind of big that they need (although the fact that they gave up both Green and Kristic means their frontline depth takes a hit). Maybe more importantly, he's got experience battling 9and beating) the Lakers frontline in the playoffs. If he's healthy, this could be a huge impact deal.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, I bet the Bulls are pissed. Word is they wanted OJ Mayo, but the Grizzlies traded him to the Pacers (a division rival of the Bulls) for Josh McRoberts.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Gives them good depth and injury protection in the short-term, but also a good young player for after Garnett, Pierce and Allen eventually retire.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to guard Dwight in the playoffs? Crust old Shaq and his twin Jermaine? Or maybe Harangody? Please they better hope they don't face Orlando in the playoffs.

For the future it makes sense, if they able to resign Green. For this year playoffs none, unless Perkins knee is worse than reported.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

OKC picked up Nazr Mohammed in a separate deal. He's not going to put them over the top or anything, but he'll give them quality minutes and six fouls if need be.

Posted by: DonnyB | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Assuming that Perkins comes back from the current knee problem (A) soon and (B) in good form, this is a great deal for OKC, however. He's exactly the kind of big that they need (although the fact that they gave up both Green and Kristic means their frontline depth takes a hit). Maybe more importantly, he's got experience battling 9and beating) the Lakers frontline in the playoffs. If he's healthy, this could be a huge impact deal.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I think they want to find more PT for Ibaka. Basically they made a choice between him and Green.And then slide Perkins into Krstic spot.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 24, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

NO - I wanted to see something done with Blache

Posted by: junkmail0153 | February 24, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to guard Dwight in the playoffs? Crust old Shaq and his twin Jermaine? Or maybe Harangody? Please they better hope they don't face Orlando in the playoffs.
Posted by: dcinmd1

They'll do it like everyone else, go by committee and hope for the best. Between Garnett, Big Baby, Shaq, Erden, Kristic etc. they have enough big bodies and fouls to throw at him to keep it interesting.

Losing Perk may ultimately hurt them, but I think they were as or more concerned about depth behind Garnett and especially Pierce should either get injured, which is increasingly likely.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

A list of the deals reported pt to this point:

Things are happening fast. Here's a list of recent trade reports:

* Aaron Brooks to the Suns for Goran Dragic.
* Semih Erden and Luke Harangody to the Cavaliers.
* Gerald Wallace to the Blazers.
* Jeff Green to Boston for Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson.
* Shane Battier to the Grizzlies for Hasheem Thabeet.
* Kirk Hinrich to the Hawks for Mike Bibby.
* Baron Davis to Cleveland for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.
* Deron Williams to the Nets.
* Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks.
* Carl Landry to the Hornets.
* Troy Murphy to Golden State for Brandan Wright and Dan Gadzuric.
* James Johnson to the Raptors.

Boston trading Erden and Harangody on the heels of Shipping out Perkins is a real head scratcher. They're basically putting the entire weight of their C rotation on Shaq and JO'Neal, whose combined age is somewhere north of 100. This seems like either profound arrogance or a waving of the white flag.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

They'll do it like everyone else, go by committee and hope for the best. Between Garnett, Big Baby, Shaq, Erden, Kristic etc. they have enough big bodies and fouls to throw at him to keep it interesting.

Losing Perk may ultimately hurt them, but I think they were as or more concerned about depth behind Garnett and especially Pierce should either get injured, which is increasingly likely.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Hoping for the Best against the most dominate player in the league does not sound like a good stratage to me. And this doesn't even begin to address the issues they will face against a matchup with the Lakers.

Erden and Harangody got shipped to Cleveland for a 2nd rounder right at the deadline as well.

Shaq against Dwight ummm how did that work out for Cleveland last year?

Basically the Celtics punted this off season unless a Center has his contract bought out and they sign him. coughs Dalembert.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 24, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Shaq against Dwight ummm how did that work out for Cleveland last year?

Cavs were 2-1 vs Magic with Shaq in the lineup. As old as Shaq is now, he's still bigger and stronger than Howard. At the very least he can hold his ground and take up space, cause some issues for Howard.

Posted by: divi3 | February 24, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Boston trading Erden and Harangody on the heels of Shipping out Perkins is a real head scratcher. They're basically putting the entire weight of their C rotation on Shaq and JO'Neal, whose combined age is somewhere north of 100. This seems like either profound arrogance or a waving of the white flag.
Posted by: kalo_rama

Erden and Harangody got shipped to Cleveland for a 2nd rounder right at the deadline as well.
Posted by: dcinmd1

I agree, shipping out Erden and Harangody right after shipping out Perk does seem like a bit of a head scratcher unless they have something else in the works. It's not really like they're focused on building for the future. And sitting on the league's 2nd best record, I doubt they're waiving the white flag.

I'll go with the second option dc mentioned, they're expecting to be able to sign someone who gets waived as a 3rd C. Unless they got another deal in that for some reason hasn't been announced yet.

As for D-Howard, the Magic haven't exactly been lighting it up since their big moves either, so maybe Boston felt like the Magic were no longer as much of an all-encompassing concern. As of right now, Boston will have difficulty matching up with Howard, and the Magic will have difficulty matching up with the rest of the Celtics.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"It's not really like they're focused on building for the future."

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 5:32 PM

Oh, I think these moves are very much about building for the future, but for the financial future more so than the basketball one. They know that this might be the last hurrah for this group so they're dumping salary to get ready for the inevitable belt tightening under the new CBA. From a business standpoint it could prove to be a smart, preemptive move. From a bball standpoint, it could seriously come back to bite them in the ass.

And I'm not buying that whole "they're waiting for someone to get waived" argument. Because even if they are, the odds of anyone waiving a C who's got enough to offer that he could actually help the Celtics as a part of their rotation is extremely slim. They make pick up some 3rd or 4th stringer cut loose from the end of someone's bench, but that's unlikely to help them much if Shaq goes down or Jermaine never gets up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Make that:

"They may pick up some 3rd or 4th stringer cut loose from the end of someone's bench . . . "

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Howard is one player and Miami runs a lousy ISO offense very similar to the Wizards but with better players (much better). I dont think the Cs are looking at those teams as the challenge, it's the Bulls who made all the right moves this summer and are now riding an emergent MVP towards serious contention.

Posted by: divi3 | February 24, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I buy that they're dumping salary for the impending new CBA. Erden and Harangody weren't making much. They only thing they do potentially save is Nate's guaranteed $4.5M nest year. But if they traded Perk in a contending year and don't keep Green (who will cost them at leat $5.8M) the fan base will be ticked. It may presage financial moves to come, but you'd think they would keep the group intact in order to make the run for the ring. Because once those guys are gone, it may be awhile before they're in position again. Especially with the moves NY and Miami have made and the moves NJ looks to make.

Did see, however, that apparently the C's big three are livid about the Perk trade.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN, fwiw

Erden and Harangody are both rookies and were moved, in part, for the Celtics to open roster spots. The Celtics may be making room to sign potential free agents who may be bought out of their contracts, league sources told ESPN.com's Brian Windhorst.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The truth is, the Wiz after eight years under Grunfeld have only a single player - Wall - with the potential to start on a championship-caliber squad such as Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, Orlando, etc. The rest, to a man, are NBA second-teamers, projects, disappointments and hopefully-someday-will-be's. The goal isn't to get a couple new guys, one who got to the championship... a decade ago... or once dunked on Lebron, but to assemble the premier quality that leads to contention. While other teams add game-changers, making our division significantly more competitive, Grunfeld shuffles a few pawns and throws a late first round bone to the starving Verizon masses. This team is so far away from being competitive, let alone playoff or championship caliber that it's shameful even by Bullets/Wizards standards. It needs a radical rethink, a culture change, a new front office, better trainers, facilities and medical team, new optimism and energy. Most importantly, it needs a new GM.

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 24, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, I think the Hinrich swap was about as good as any of the trades. Not the most spectacular by any means, but then, the Wiz aren't going to the playoffs and aren't taking those sort of risks. Ainge in particular seems panicky to me, and Michael Jordan is, I think, back to his old tricks.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"Cavs were 2-1 vs Magic with Shaq in the lineup. As old as Shaq is now, he's still bigger and stronger than Howard. At the very least he can hold his ground and take up space, cause some issues for Howard.Posted by: divi3"

All i can say is: Good luck. But maybe Boston is hoping Gilbert plays a lot.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"Gives them good depth and injury protection in the short-term, but also a good young player for after Garnett, Pierce and Allen eventually retire.Posted by: ts35"

I thought Green was a pretty good complementary player, but maybe not.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"From ESPN, fwiw

Erden and Harangody are both rookies and were moved, in part, for the Celtics to open roster spots. The Celtics may be making room to sign potential free agents who may be bought out of their contracts, league sources told ESPN.com's Brian Windhorst."

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2011 6:35 PM

It's not worth much. Like I said, they may be able to sign some guys. But most likely that's all they'll be: some guys. Some bodies. They aren't likely to be able to pick somebody up off the trash heap who can replace what Perkins provided.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 24, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

It's not worth much. Like I said, they may be able to sign some guys. But most likely that's all they'll be: some guys. Some bodies. They aren't likely to be able to pick somebody up off the trash heap who can replace what Perkins provided.
Posted by: kalo_rama

Yeah, definitely not worth nearly as much as that $900K worth of "salary dumping". Man, they cleaned house.

They won't be able to replace what Perkins brought, but they should be able to sign someone who can do a halfway decent job of absorbing some of the minutes. Not to mention that they still hope to have Jermaine O'Neal available for the playoffs.

More from the fwiw file:

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According to Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe, the Cavs have waived Leon Powe.

"[It opens] up the possibility for a return to Boston," he added.

If the Celtics fail to land Tory Murphy after he's bought out -- a rumored move of the team -- it's possible they may look to sign Powe as another option

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ESPN's John Hollinger
C's deadline moves could be call to Howard
"As a result of these moves, Boston is certainly well-positioned for the future -- the Celtics have draft picks and will be in position to make a hard run at Howard in free agency in 2012. They have jettisoned Perkins and have one year left on the deals of Shaquille and Jermaine O'Neal. From that angle, this trade is basically a neon sign that says, 'Yo, Dwight -- over here!'"

Posted by: ts35 | February 25, 2011 2:36 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, definitely not worth nearly as much as that $900K worth of "salary dumping". Man, they cleaned house."

Y'know, it's generally understood that when you put something in quotes that it should actually be, y'know, a quote. Which makes your use of quotations marks around the term "salary dump" rather puzzling, since I never used that term in reference to the Perkins trade.

With that out of the way . . . it was widely reported that the Celts offered Perkins a $30 mill contract extension a while back. He rejected it. So feel free to pretend that their decision to trade a guy it would cost them more than $30 mill to keep for a guy in the last year of his rookie contract who would cost substantially less to re-sign had nothing whatsoever to do with saving money. You'd be wrong, of course, and look rather foolish for doing so. But hey, that's the beauty of having free will in a democracy.

"They won't be able to replace what Perkins brought, but they should be able to sign someone who can do a halfway decent job of absorbing some of the minutes."

Yeah, because championship caliber rotation quality centers are just falling ass backwards out of trees these days, right? Yeah, I'm sure Troy Murphy, who couldn't even get off the bench for the Nets and hasn't played anything resembling defense (which is their primary need from any big man they bring in) since middle school will put them right over the top. And Leon Powe, who had 5 minutes of stardom in the playoffs 5 years ago but wasn't even able to crack the Cavs rotation this season.

"Not to mention that they still hope to have Jermaine O'Neal available for the playoffs."

You mean like they hoped to have him available for the beginning of the regular season? And the middle of the regular season? And the end of the regular season?

Hope springs eternal, I guess.

"ESPN's John Hollinger As a result of these moves, Boston is certainly well-positioned for the future -- the Celtics have draft picks and will be in position to make a hard run at Howard in free agency in 2012. They have jettisoned Perkins and have one year left on the deals of Shaquille and Jermaine O'Neal. From that angle, this trade is basically a neon sign that says, 'Yo, Dwight -- over here!'

Oh yeah, but the Perkins deal had nothing to do with saving money right? Y'know, you might have a better chance of winning an argument if you didn't actually post evidence that directly counters your opening point.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2011 3:02 AM | Report abuse

Mea culpa. It looks like I did use the verb form of "salary dump" earlier. Pont to you. Granted, a minor insignificant point, but I guess you gotta take your victories where you can.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2011 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Sigh. Where to start?

If they wanted just to dump salary, they could just have let Perk walk at the end of the year, bought out Nate at the end of the year, but kept their team intact for this year. So in my book that says that acquiring Green was part of the deal. They don't have a team option for Green next year, just the ability to make him an RFA by making a $5.8M qualifying offer. And keeping him past next year will require some coin -- probably in the ballpark of $30M. So not really sure what they save. Makes no sense to make that deal just to let Green walk.

Never said that championship C's did fall out of trees, and never said that Murphy or Powe would bring Perkins caliber D. You're the one who's hung up on a one for one replacement of Perkins. My thought was that they were looking to find guys who could give them more than Erden and Harangody and ease the loss of Perkins. I honestly still don't get them trading Erden, but Murphy is probably a better player at this point overall. He can score and board (though I agree, he plays zero D). I think Powe would be their fall back guy if nothing else works out because at least he knows the system. But honestly, I would hope they have more up their sleeves than Leon Powe.

There was some talk that guys like Rip Hamilton might be bought out and might end up in Celtics green, but it doesn't look like that will happen now. FYI, since you seem prone to confusion, I'm also not saying that Rip could replace Perkins at the C spot.

You mean like they hoped to have [J. O'Neal] available for the beginning of the regular season? And the middle of the regular season? And the end of the regular season?

Yep, pretty much like that. The only difference being that he just underwent the surgery he's needed, and the recovery time seems targetted to get him back a bit ahead of the playoffs. That doesn't mean he'll a) be ready, or b) be effective, just saying it might have played into their thinking.

As for the Hollinger posting...a) I like including all relevant things I find, whether they support my case or not. And if the info that's out there indicates something other than what I was thinking, I can say "Looks like I got that one wrong." You should try it some time.

But b) it doesn't really contradict my point at all. Because *trading* Perkins didn't save them money for next year, as they could have just let him walk. If D-Howard is the goal, trading Perk was about acquiring Green, so that as both O'Neals' money and potentially KG's money and Ray Allen's money come off the books after next year, there's still young talent in place to entice Howard to come.

Posted by: ts35 | February 25, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

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