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Posted at 1:23 AM ET, 02/13/2011

Wizards roll over in worst home loss of the season

By Michael Lee

This is really bad. (AP Photo/Nick Wass)


John Wall played his 40th NBA game on Saturday and uttered a phrase that he probably shouldn't have had to use so early in his NBA career. After an embarrassing, humiliating 118-94 loss to the San Antonio Spurs that wasn't nearly as close as the score would indicate, Wall made an honest but troubling observation about his team.

"It didn't seem like nobody cared out there," Wall said.

No one is disputing what Wall had to say, because the kid was spot on. How else do you explain a performance in which the Wizards trailed by 30 before halftime and 41 in the third period. It doesn't matter that the Spurs have the league's best record, there really is no excuse for a team with so many unproven and inexperienced players to come out and play without any fire or passion in front of a sellout crowd.

After the game, Coach Flip Saunders said he "didn't see it coming," but it was pretty obvious from the first six or seven minutes of the game that the Wizards weren't going to put up much of a fight. Saunders called two timeouts in the first eight minutes, so clearly he sensed things were getting out of control early.

But no matter how many times he stopped play, or tried to get his players to come out with more aggression, they kept playing as if they wanted to be done already. It was almost like the loss last month in New York, when Saunders asked his players to play with some passion and they went out and stunk it up some more.

The Wizards trailed 72-45 at halftime, and players walked off the court, heads lowered and looking disgusted. "They hadn't given an indication that we could come back and win," Saunders said of the Spurs. "The idea was to come back and compete."

That never happened. Nick Young said "it was a lot of emotions in the locker room" but you couldn't tell, when they came out and got outscored 26-12 right away, with DeJuan Blair (whom the Wizards passed on in the 2009 NBA draft) made a stutter-step bank shot.

At that point, a running clock may have spared them from some of the agony. "Seemed like they couldn't miss," Wall said. "Coach told us, we've got to play hard. We shied away from that. We didn't play hard, had no energy. They had their way with us. it was just an embarrassing loss."

The Wizards (14-38) have had several bad defeats this season -- the season-opening romp in Orlando; that horrific, 31-point beatdown in Boston; the 19-point drubbing to an equally bad Toronto Raptors; and that disgusting 25-point meltdown in Sacramento. But the thing about those losses was that they all were on the road. The Wizards simply don't get beat this badly at Verizon Center. Or at least, they didn't.


How am I supposed to get a shot off through this? (AP Photo/Nick Wass)

They have only lost five games by double digits at home, with their previous worst home loss being an 18-point defeat against Orlando last week. But that game was competitive for most of the night. The Wizards trailed by two at halftime against the Magic. The last time the Wizards trailed by two points against the Spurs was with about eight minutes left in the first quarter.

Granted, the Wizards were short-handed without Rashard Lewis, Al Thornton and Josh Howard, and the Spurs are really good, but you would've expected something other than a rollover when the Wizards had two days to prepare and San Antonio had just lost in Philadelphia the night before. The 76ers' 77-71 win should've at least offered some hope for a competitive game. Or let the Wizards know that an angry team was going to show up at their arena.

But the Wizards seemed ready to call it quits after JaVale McGee scored the first two buckets over Tim Duncan. After that, they were done.

And, really, it's a shame, because the Spurs have so many guys on their team who go about their business the right way. They have a great coach in Gregg Popovich, who doesn't accept anything less of his players -- mostly because the Spurs don't waste their time bringing in guys who don't want to work hard or play hard, but also because he quickly finds a way to make sure that the ones who don't are on another team.

The Wizards are too young and unaccomplished to take any opponent lightly, especially one that still has the core of a team that has won three championships together in Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

"They play how the game is supposed to be played," Saunders said of the Spurs. "They play on substance, not style. To them it doesn't matter who scored, they don't go for the dunk. When they miss a dunk, they get back. They don't care about the assist and the flamboyance. That's how you want your organization to be. And we're working to get there. You can say it's a process, but it's frustrating when you get against that, and you get steamrolled."

It's hard to say what was the most forgettable moment of the night. It may have been when Andray Blatche tried a behind-the-back dribble and had Parker reach in to steal it with Blatche wondering where the ball went. Or it may have been when McGee drove inside and missed a dunk that bounded high off the rim. McGee came back with an impressive driving reverse dunk in the third quarter, but his night -- and that of the Wizards -- was summed up by a play in the fourth period, when McGee was late closing out on Steve Novak on a three-pointer and hip-checked him out of bounds, right into the Wizards' bench.

The worst part of the night was the total apathy of the fan base. Some fans may have wanted to boo, but they didn't bother. Like the Wizards, they probably just didn't care. But the responses of the Wizards after the game, may have shown the disconnect.

"I was more shocked I didn't hear that many boos," Young said. "I don't know if there was more San Antonio Spurs fans tonight or Wizards fans. Anyway, we didn't hear no boos, and if there were Wizards fans, I'm proud for that part. I was prepared for it. We hear boos when we are down 2, but it's big ups to them for staying with us."

Um, no. they weren't staying with the Wizards. They are probably just numb to it all.

Even Saunders was a little out of touch as he tried to explain a sequence in the fourth quarter, when fans were cheering for Aberdeen, Md., product Gary Neal to miss his second free throw, with the Wizards trailing by 34 points.

"Our fans are cheering for them to miss shots at the free throw line, which says something about how your fans are trying their hardest to do what they can," Saunders said. "They want to see you go out and just play."

Um, no again. The fans were cheering because they would've received a free sandwich from Chick-fil-A if Neal had missed the free throw. They seemed to stop caring about the Wizards about halfway in the second quarter.

But it's one loss. A bad one at that, and the Wizards can't dwell on it, with a critical road game against Cleveland, where they will try to finally put their futility away from home to rest. "We've got to put this game behind us," Young said of the loss to the Spurs. "That's what the NBA is about. So we've got to look forward to this road game."

It won't be easy. The Cavaliers should be feeling pretty good after ending their 26-game losing streak with a win on Friday against the Los Angeles Clippers. And, Howard already has ruled himself out against Cleveland.

By Michael Lee  | February 13, 2011; 1:23 AM ET
Categories:  Andray Blatche, Flip Saunders, JaVale McGee, Josh Howard, Nick Young  
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Comments

There is a total disconnect between Flip and the Wizards big men. All Flip gives a Flip about are the point guards on this team and the team has no direction otherwise. The sooner he is replaced by Cassell and the sooner Cassell understands this coaching staff needs an asst. coach that specialize in training big men, especially on footwork and rebounding then the less likely we fans will have to endure crappy efforts like last night. Players are tuning out Saunders and his glory days with KG speeches!

Posted by: ronniea54 | February 13, 2011 3:26 AM | Report abuse

On TV when the score was 39 to 18, Hinrich and Cassell were sitting on the bench smiling and seemingly joking around. Maybe if the fans at Verizon Center saw this, they would have wished that they had stayed home and saved their money! The players talk a good game about how tough it is to lose but in reality it seems as if all they care about is getting paid! The fans should boycott the Wizards until Mr. Leonsis gives the fans a sign that he is concerned by the poor play of his team. The best sign would be for him to fire Saunders since I don't believe that this team will ever play hard and consistent for him!

Posted by: oakiedokie1 | February 13, 2011 5:05 AM | Report abuse

"He stole the ball from Blatche for a driving layup. Then, Blatche attempted a behind-the-back dribble on the next possession, but Parker swooped in to strip him and raced down the floor another layup. JaVale McGee (14 points) met Parker at the rim but was called for goaltending. Parker then intercepted a pass by McGee, who again was called for goaltending."

What a sequence. But really, the way things went in that first half, could have been any two Wiz players involved.

I'm never overly concerned by a blowout loss. This team's no better or worse than it was last week. The flaws we saw last night are the same ones we saw in the opener, and at Boston Garden, against Sacramento and Phoenix. Only difference being this one was at home. But the team hasn't been playing that well at home of late, either.

Like Lee said, the night before the Spurs had been held to 71 points. Against the Wiz, they couldn't miss. It happens.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Damn, is there an elephant in the room? After that A$$ whipping, you can hear a pin drop here. Looks like they didn't play last night because they really knew they didn't have a chance and wanted to save something for Cleveland and the national media buzz about these 2 sorry azz teams that play tonight. I would say I get it but I really don't, they need to bring it every night and they surely looked like they quit before mid way through the 1st qtr. Wow, isn't it great to be a Wizards fan?

Posted by: zack5 | February 13, 2011 6:00 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz were shorthanded and the Spurs were coming off a humiliating loss. A blind man could have seen this coming.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2011 6:21 AM | Report abuse

@kalo

Yeah, I would say that too. I missed the game but watched the reply this morning and they didn't even play well. Short handed or not, the mistakes and turnovers were endless. Didn't expect them to win but they could have atleast come to play.

Posted by: zack5 | February 13, 2011 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Andre & Nick enough said

Posted by: fish4 | February 13, 2011 7:10 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz were shorthanded and the Spurs were coming off a humiliating loss. A blind man could have seen this coming.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2011 6:21 AM

Can a blind man see a coach getting fired from the Wizards after getting embarrassed by the Cavaliers?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 13, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey Samson, Bobcats struggle by Atlanta in Atlanta by two. I like that kind of struggling. Can our Wizards struggle like that Samson151?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 13, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"The fans were cheering because they would've received a free sandwich from Chik-fil-A if Neal had missed the free throw." Hey, I last read about that kind of thing in a story about the D-League. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 13, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I am still amazed at all the super scratch your head moments like Javale trying his patented point guard behind the back pass to Andray, the always fun to watch one on one black holing that Andray does even though Booker was wide open under the rim, or my personal favorite from last night (which is still too funny) with seconds left in the game Hilton Armstrong steals the ball from Quinn then races up the court to shoot a 3... but he makes it!! He gets no play time to do something that extreme. LMAO!!!

Posted by: bullwiz81 | February 13, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"It didn't seem like nobody cared out there," Wall said.
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Double negative. Everybody cared?

Posted by: randysbailin | February 13, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

It would be smarter to name a current assistant to finish out the head as interm-Head Coach. This team not only has tuned out Saunders, now they are regressing under his leadership.

Every game they keep Flip around is like saying "We know the lockout is coming, we're not going to really "try" anything until then.....check us out whenever the next season starts. AND, we'll be wearing Red!".

Posted by: Eckertae | February 13, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

TLG = Ted Lose Grunfeld.
PS. Seraphin for ROY!

Posted by: member8 | February 13, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz were shorthanded and the Spurs were coming off a humiliating loss. A blind man could have seen this coming.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2011 6:21 AM | Report abuse

After the game, Coach Flip Saunders said he "didn't see it coming,"

Ted should replace Flip with the blind man?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm never overly concerned by a blowout loss...Against the Wiz, It happens.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Flip say it wasn't about the wins or losses it was about seeing improvement?

Where is the improvement?

Surely not by the coach.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

What's new? They haven't cared since the season started they have very little talent, a coaching staff that is clueless and yes that includes Sam I Am and an owner that is in denial. The Spurs are a professional team that takes the game seriously the Wizards are a bunch of goof balls.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 13, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

It's all about I.Q. and character.If anyone has ever seen a street fight ;you know that there are the initiators, the finishers , and punks that kick the loser after he is knocked out. Granted, they think that the devastating blow looks good against a sleeper, but it's the opposite.
Unfortunately, that's what we have here.The punks. Our front court couldn't win a street fight in the paint if their opponent sent a sub in their place (which , by the way is what they did).Even if it means risking bogus stats , Booker, Serafin , and anyone else with "a pair" need more playing time. That way the message is sent that , unless you make a decent screen, stop trying to make the top 10 on ESPN ( in a losing effort), or play some "D", all bets are off ! No more playing time , no no more excuses, and hell, no entrance to the arena. If you're not with the team , you're against it. As a fan I'd rather see a loss with guts, than just a bunch of losers ! Let's be realistic Wall is a potential star, Young is good in his element, Booker needs a jumpshot, Seraphin is Rick Mahorn Jr., and Blatche (especially) and Mcgee have no respect for their positions or team wins. If they don't want to learn or play the game right, Grunfield needs to pimp their manjinas where they are wanted.

Posted by: orpheusgroupent | February 13, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Phil just made a comment in the third that McGee got his 1st rebound. It is a testament of how well SA is shooting the ball and not a scar against McGee or the Wizards, but I am sure that Flip will interpret it as a blight against his players.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 12, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

THIS is what I call LOSER TALK. 7 footer getting his first rebound in the 3rd quarter...and that's because the Spurs wouldn't miss?

I bet the Wizards missed more than a couple shots though? I guess offensive rebounds aren't important though.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 13, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Can a blind man see a coach getting fired from the Wizards after getting embarrassed by the Cavaliers?LarryInClintonMD.Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

I don't think so. But a blind man could have seen your post coming.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"The Spurs are a professional team that takes the game seriously..." Posted by: dargregmag

Sure, and still wound up with only 71 points the night before. It happens.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

It's hard to say what was the most forgettable moment of the night.
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I nominate McGee's behind-the-back-pass/turnover in the 3rd period. I thought Flip's head was going to explode. SA called a timeout immediately afterwards, which probably saved Flip from tackling Javale right on the court.

Posted by: rbelleisle | February 13, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I stopped watching at 61-30 I think the score was?

I think everybody's concerns above are valid, but this isn't going to change anytime soon until they get rid of EG and Flip.

Nothing has changed here since November and it's not going to anytime soon. You think you'd see some improvement, but you haven't. It's John Wall and literally nobody else.

Seriously, you can keep John Wall and dump the rest of the team. Keep Booker maybe, but beyond that they can just dump everybody else. It's pretty clear they are all just collecting checks at this point.

Sad thing is it's not even the All Star break.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 13, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Hey Samson, Bobcats struggle by Atlanta in Atlanta by two. I like that kind of struggling. Can our Wizards struggle like that Samson151?LarryInClintonMD.Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

They've been playing poorly lately, and much of the momentum they got from Brown's departure seems to have dissipated. Silas has been complaining loudly in the media, and Michael Jordan has even been practicing with them, a sure sign that changes in the roster are coming if things don't improve. They really needed a lift, and maybe last night will be it.

I'm going to e-mail Silas, however, and remind him that he shouldn't criticize his players, because of the damage it might do to their tender young psyches. LarryInClintonMD said so.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Where's that goober that keeps posting how great a GM that EG is????

Ernie Grunfeld's a BUST!!!!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 13, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"I'm never overly concerned by a blowout loss...Against the Wiz, It happens.
Posted by: Samson151
"Didn't Flip say it wasn't about the wins or losses it was about seeing improvement?Where is the improvement?Surely not by the coach.
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Just want to point out that bulletsfan78 deliberately misquoted me. What I actually wrote was: "Like Lee said, the night before the Spurs had been held to 71 points. Against the Wiz, they couldn't miss. It happens." BF78 deleted the section using a comma instead of three dots in an effort to distort the meaning.

Not that anyone should be surprised. He'll probably just blame it on all the drugs.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"I nominate McGee's behind-the-back-pass/turnover in the 3rd period. I thought Flip's head was going to explode. SA called a timeout immediately afterwards, which probably saved Flip from tackling Javale right on the court.Posted by: rbelleisle"

Who says Javale can't play the point?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Note to Samson151; Yes the Spurs only scored 71 against a 76er team that is red hot but the mark of a great team is to comeback and crush a doormat (Wizards) especially on a back to back which is what the Spurs did.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 13, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Phil just made a comment in the third that McGee got his 1st rebound. It is a testament of how well SA is shooting the ball and not a scar against McGee or the Wizards, but I am sure that Flip will interpret it as a blight against his players."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 12, 2011 9:37 PM

Oh. My. God.

Seriously Lar, get some help. Talk to somebody. There's no shame in asking for help.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Note to Samson151; Yes the Spurs only scored 71 against a 76er team that is red hot but the mark of a great team is to comeback and crush a doormat (Wizards) especially on a back to back which is what the Spurs did.Posted by: dargregmag"

Who said the Spurs aren't a really good team? But great? We'll have to see come playoffs time.

You can probably see some weaknesses if you look close...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Ok look, Mr Ernie Grunfeld, let me spell it out for you.

#1 need is a legit starting center!

We can draft one... Jonas Valanciunas is the top rated in the draft.

We can trade for one... from realgm.com "The current trade value of Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani may be at its peak, so while it would be difficult to determine appropriate value, I don't think they should be too apprehensive to not consider everything involving those two."

We can sign a FA with all the cap space made from dealing away Jamison, Butler, Stevenson, Haywood, etc. From realgm.com:

"When that time comes up I will put all the cards on the table and see my options and make a decision. Right now, it’s too soon for that and the good thing about my situation is that nobody can talk to me now about it and I have no concerns, no worries, I just have to play basketball, which is what I really like."

Memphis will have the opportunity to match any offer sheet Gasol signs elsewhere, or the team can also negotiate a sign-and-trade.

The Grizzlies signed Rudy Gay and Mike Conley to sizable extensions in 2010."

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 13, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

If we draft a center with our top pick I would really like to acquire another 1st round pick in the 12-15 range for FL State's SF Chris Singleton, a lockdown defender.

Can Blatche + our 2nd rounder get us a pick in this range??

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 13, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

That would be a rebuild with the draft like Ted wants.

Draft Jonas Valanciunas and Chris Singleton. Move McGee to PF.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 13, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

That game was going to be a loss no matter what....but I still hate Flip's obsession with the 3 guard lineup. Kirk isnt any good on quick PGs and Nick doesnt rebound at all, there was no advantage. There was a lot of talk this week about Booker being taught to play 3, would have liked to see him start last night. He was the ONE PLAYER on the team showing energy

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Gregg Popovich on the Spurs loss to Philly the other night (SA went 3-for-17 from the arc and scored just 25 points in the second half against an ordinary defensive club):
"Both teams sort of set offensive basketball back a decade or so tonight," said San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich. "Neither team could make a shot."

My point being that when your shots don't fall, you're in for a long night, no matter who you are.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"We can trade for one... from realgm.com "The current trade value of Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani may be at its peak..."

I don't look at Bargnani as a center. He can play there but at a distinct matchup disadvantage against a rebounding big man. He's averaging 36 minutes and 5.5 boards, which should tell us something. Plus he's turning the ball 2.5 times versus 1.7 assists.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

David Stern was on Conversations with Judy Woodruff this morning. I got distracted when he was talking about contraction, but it seemed like it was being discussed as a means of getting rid of bad owners. The lockout and international growth were also touched on. Bloomberg is re-airing it at 12:30PM and 4:00PM today.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 13, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"David Stern was on Conversations with Judy Woodruff this morning. I got distracted when he was talking about contraction, but it seemed like it was being discussed as a means of getting rid of bad owners."

Mostly bad franchises. The Cavs were atop the list when LeBron left, but Dan Gilbert is building a $400 million Caesar's in downtown Cleveland that will substantially strengthen his financial position. Charlotte is another one, a team that hasn't had great fan loyalty in a state that's mostly interested in college ball and Nascar. In Minnesota, Glen Taylor has told everyone who will listen that the Wolves will not disappear, the equivalent of the dreaded vote of confidence. Memphis had to overpay for free agents like Rudy Gay and has mediocre attendance even with a good team.

Those are just the troubled franchises -- we haven't even got to Portland and the Clips yet. Two teams that probably should relocate...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Amazing! The Wizards, "Skins, and Nats are all bad and in last place. Caps have no desire or effort in many games. Fans don't seem to care. They just keeping attending. What is the answer?

Posted by: boyn4884 | February 13, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Andrea Bargnani?!

Lord, help us.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

".......a critical road game against Cleveland, where they will try to finally put their futility away from home to rest......." Michael Lee

And there's your answer. They're all focusing on today's tilt, and it does mean a good deal more than yesterday's debacle at the moment. They just cannot afford to lose this game and they know it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 13, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

That play at the end of the game by Hilton Armstrong was bush league and shows the lack of professionalism of the Wizards. The Spurs were running the clock out, and this d-bag steals the ball and shoots the 3. That's the difference between a team like the Spurs and Wizards. One team is full of professionalism that play the game the right way. The other team is full of goofballs who have no respect for the game.

Posted by: Punditocracy | February 13, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The Cavs were atop the list when LeBron left..

That's news to me. Hard to believe that anyone would consider Dan Gilbert a worse owner than Donald Sterling, Michael Heisley or Glen Taylor. And Portland has one of the highest attendance records in the NBA. Why should the Blazers relocate?

Posted by: djnnnou | February 13, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6118009

Apparently Cousins can't get along with his team. Maybe we can ship Blatche and something else to Sac for Cousins. His cancerous attitude is a red flag but maybe with the support of Wall he can get his head on straight.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | February 13, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Blatche & 2nd rounder for Cousins??

Move Mcgee to PF.

Draft SF Terrance Jones from Kentucky.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 13, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Where's that goober that keeps posting how great a GM that EG is????

Ernie Grunfeld's a BUST!!!!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 13, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I guess last year when they stated they where blowing up the team you thought they meant a new coat of paint?

If you look at the Capitals model of rebuilding you have to be awful, absolutely horrible for a given length of time before actual change happens. The Caps rebuilding was not over once they draft Alex. They had to get a ton of other talent to go along with him. The rebuilding process does not end with Wall it is only begun.

2-11 in the last 13 this team is horrible and will be for the next few years while they acquire pieces. There are no short cut or instant fixes.

And today game is no more important than the other 82. They all count the same.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 13, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

lol, I was going to name this game "Fire Flip vs Da Cavs". I think we have to seriously look at firing him if we get murdered by the Spurs one night and lose to the pitiful Cavs the next night while going 0 & forever on the road. Its defiinitely not all his fault and we suck so much that it might be good to keep him so we can get a top pick & then axe him but if we do that then people might get mad at us for doing it at that time.

If he loses then I wouldnt argue at all with him getting the boot. His sytem sucks, atleast for our team and he cant motivate our guys enough. Now he shouldnt need to motivate pros but this could be like a Bobcats with Larry Brown or a Pacers with Jim O'Brien situation where the team just doesnt respond to them anymore and looks way better with the new coach & system change.

Posted by: dlts2041 | February 13, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"That's news to me. Hard to believe that anyone would consider Dan Gilbert a worse owner than Donald Sterling, Michael Heisley or Glen Taylor. And Portland has one of the highest attendance records in the NBA. Why should the Blazers relocate?Posted by: djnnnou"

The issue isn't so much who's the worst owner -- that would be Sterling -- as which franchises are considered weak and candidates for contraction. This is just whose names have come up.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

" this could be like a Bobcats with Larry Brown or a Pacers with Jim O'Brien situation where the team just doesnt respond to them anymore and looks way better with the new coach & system change.Posted by: dlts2041"

Couple of flaws in that argument IMO. First, what you get from midyear coaching changes is mostly short-term improvement. You can't really put in a new system, and it's hard to add important players, so you're depending on renewed motivation from your current roster. That's usually a temporary benefit. If your overriding goal is to sneak into that last playof spot, it may be worth it. That's what Charlotte and Indy are focused on.

I don't know what's in Ted's mind, but it sure doesn't seem to be short-term returns. He's interested in franchise-building.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

And today game is no more important than the other 82. They all count the same.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 13, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, b-s, nobody wants to be in the record books of futility. Ask any of them [players]. If they've got ANY juice they'll spit it out today.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 13, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Lose to Cleveland tonight-will this be Flip's last week? Make a change at the All star break from a team that has quit. Stay tuned if they lose tonight.

Posted by: ptp09 | February 13, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently Cousins can't get along with his team. Maybe we can ship Blatche and something else to Sac for Cousins. His cancerous attitude is a red flag but maybe with the support of Wall he can get his head on straight.Posted by: Wizbullets88"

I saw the team suspended him. That's a scary guy. He was a problem for Calipari at Kentucky and now for Westphal. All that talent but maybe it's like some other young NBAers -- ultimately, it ain't worth it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Spurs...

1st pick Duncan
2nd round pick Blair
28th pick Parker
26th pick Hill
Trade Jefferson

Wizards...

1st pick Wall
2nd round pick Blatche
18th pick McGee
16th pick Young
Trade Hinrich

the Wizards had better picks in the 1st rounds 16,18 versus 26,28

the difference is the person who is making the picks while building and rebuilding the team.

So if you think Ernie can turn this organization around through the draft Ted would love for you to buy a season ticket package

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

and our GM passed on Blair because he didn't think he would make it in the NBA?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 13, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

If we can get Cousins for Blatche we got to do it!!! Maybe Blatche with our 2nd rounder gets it done?

I think Cousins & McGee together would be dominant. They can both switch off and rotate between PF& C. McGee's shot blocking, Cousin's rebounding and scoring ability. Draft a SF like Terrance Jones.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 13, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"and our GM passed on Blair because he didn't think he would make it in the NBA?
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

I sincerely doubt that. It was pretty obvious Blair could play; he was projected as a lottery pick. He fell because of a medical issue (that's still there, by the way). Here's a list of clubs that passed on him:
Clips
Grizz
Sacramento
Minnesota
Warriors
OKC
Knicks
Toronto
Bucks
Nets
Charlotte
Indy
Phoenix
Pistons
Bulls
76ers
Hawks
Jazz
New Orleans
Portland
Dallas
Lakers
Cavs
Denver

Several of those teams passed on him more than once (I think the Wolves 4 times), and several traded their picks rather than select Blair.

Said this before but I suppose it's worth repeating until you stop using it to present a distorted argument.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Starting Kirk was a mistake IMO. Booker would have helped negate the Spurs advantage on the boards and Nick would have been guarded by George Hill. I think that matchup is advantage Wizards.

Plus Kirk would have been fresh when Gary Neal came in the game.

It's hard to shake the feeling that Randy Wittman would have 4 or 5 more wins if he were this team's coach.

I swear Flip can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to Hinrich.

Posted by: elfreako | February 13, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Several of those teams passed on him more than once (I think the Wolves 4 times), and several traded their picks rather than select Blair.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Since I am a Wizards fan I really don't care about the other GM's who passed on Blair...I look at what Ernie does and doesn't do and for a team (last year)that really needed a physical player for Ernie to pass on him that is about all I need to know about why this team sucks.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Spurs...
28th pick Parker
26th pick Hill
Wizards...
18th pick McGee
16th pick Young
the Wizards had better picks in the 1st rounds 16,18 versus 26,28" posted by bulletsfan78

So you'd rather the Wiz had picked George Hill than Javale McGee? And the Spurs picked Tiago Splitter the year Nick Young came out... not Tony Parker. You'd rather they had taken Splitter over Nick?


Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Starting Kirk was a mistake IMO. Booker would have helped negate the Spurs advantage on the boards and Nick would have been guarded by George Hill. I think that matchup is advantage Wizards. Posted by: elfreako

Starting Booker would of meant having 1 shooter with near zero post play. The Wizards need a shooter at the 3. Cartier Martin could of started instead of Kirk, but that wouldn't of prevented the TOs in the 1st quarter.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 13, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So you'd rather the Wiz had picked George Hill than Javale McGee? And the Spurs picked Tiago Splitter the year Nick Young came out... not Tony Parker. You'd rather they had taken Splitter over Nick?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I was pointing out since Ted wants to rebuild through the draft and since he has a GM who can't draft then what do Wizards fans have to look forward too?

A couple of more years of the Ernie and Flip show?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Since I am a Wizards fan I really don't care about the other GM's who passed on Blair..."Posted by: bulletsfan78

You don't care for accuracy or thoroughness, either, but you should. Otherwise it's just propaganda.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"I was pointing out since Ted wants to rebuild through the draft and since he has a GM who can't draft then what do Wizards fans have to look forward too?"

And I pointed out that your examples didn't prove your point.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

".I look at what Ernie does and doesn't do and for a team (last year)that really needed a physical player for Ernie to pass on him that is about all I need to know about why this team sucks.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

He was probably hoping for one that had anterior cruciate ligaments.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

We can hash and rehash trades, coach's, and gm's bottom line; Ted Leonsis has to make the move and from where i sit he 's not going to do anything until the season end's.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 13, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

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