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Posted at 1:56 PM ET, 03/ 9/2011

Andray Blatche has right shoulder strain

By Gene Wang

Starting power forward Andray Blatche has a strained right shoulder, and according to Washington Wizards officials, the status of the team's second-leading scorer is day-to-day after an MRI this morning revealed no structural damage.

Blatche hurt his shoulder in the opening minutes of last night's 95-76 loss to Milwaukee at Verizon Center. Trapped in a double-team on the Wizards' defensive end, Blatche attempted to gather a loose ball in between the Bucks' Brandon Jennings and Luc Mbah a Moute and landed hard on his right side.

With Blatche clearly in pain on the court, play continued in the other direction, and it wasn't until the Wizards called a 20-second timeout that athletic trainers were able to tend to him. Blatche remained on the floor for several minutes before rising to his feet and eventually walking to the locker room.

The injury occurred with 8 minutes 46 seconds left in the quarter and with the Wizards leading, 7-2. Milwaukee subsequently went on a 10-1 run in taking its first lead and outscored Washington in the second quarter, 29-15, en route to the comfortable victory.

Blatche finished the game with no points, three rebounds and one assist. He came in averaging 16.2 points and eight rebounds per game.

The injury to one of the club's most productive offensive players is especially untimely considering Blatche's ailing teammates. Last night the Wizards were without Rashard Lewis and Josh Howard, both starters at small forward this season, and swingman Cartier Martin, leaving a dearth at the No. 3 position.

That necessitated starting newcomer Maurice Evans, who had played just six games with the Wizards since arriving in a trade from Atlanta, at small forward and using rookie Trevor Booker there off the bench. Booker normally plays power forward.

By Gene Wang  | March 9, 2011; 1:56 PM ET
Categories:  Andray Blatche  
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Comments

Sit him the rest of the way.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Yea sit him and Lewis for the rest of the way. Let's get our rookies Booker, Kevin and H more mins.

Posted by: javila1 | March 9, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I was reading a paper today and i came across a quote where it said bball sells 1 of 2 things ,success or hope, which is a bill of goods, What is it that we're getting from the wizards, no success must be hope, which is bull&h1t, as long as flip is the coach this team will always be what it is now,nothing. You can bring in all stars at every position, flip and his play book, the out come will be the same.SORRY but it's the TRUTH.

Posted by: maejude | March 9, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I was reading a paper today and i came across a quote where it said bball sells 1 of 2 things ,success or hope, which is a bill of goods, What is it that we're getting from the wizards, no success must be hope, which is bull&h1t, as long as flip is the coach this team will always be what it is now,nothing. You can bring in all stars at every position, flip and his play book, the out come will be the same.SORRY but it's the TRUTH.

Posted by: maejude

I totally get what you're saying. They need to ditch Flip and then get rid of Nick Young. It's only way the team will get better.

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Sit him the rest of the way.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 2:10 PM

No chance. Our boys play hurt on this Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 9, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody really get that in game twitter thing? Is twitter just one line gotcha's from outa nowhere?

The one got my attention. Guy said that things was so bad in Miami that Bibby wishes he was back here with his $6.2m.

Ha, Ha, funny, if it's true. Poor Bibby.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 9, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"I totally get what you're saying. They need to ditch Flip and then get rid of Nick Young. It's only way the team will get better."

Also they could trade their top draft choice for LeBron. I can't understand why EG hasn't done this already. We need to fire him too.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

And they could hire Tom Thibadeau as their coach. Offer him enough money and he'd quit Chicago in a heartbeat to coach this team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"No chance. Our boys play hurt on this Team."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 9, 2011 2:58 PM

He plays fat, lazy, and stupid, too. And that's no way to go through life, son.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"You can bring in all stars at every position, flip and his play book, the out come will be the same.SORRY but it's the TRUTH."

Posted by: maejude | March 9, 2011 2:34 PM

It's in ALL CAPS, so you know it must be true. I think that's an actual Internet law.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Starting power forward Andray Blatche...is day-to-day after an MRI this morning revealed no structural damage.
By Gene Wang

To the contrary....LarryInClintonMD just called the Wizards staff to let them know that the problems with AB's shoulder are all related to structure.

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Starting power forward Andray Blatche...is day-to-day after an MRI this morning revealed no structural damage."

Lack of leadership, that's what causes shoulder strain. Excuse me, LEADERSHIP.

Also, they should have made Gilbert captain.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading these blogs and also watching the Wizards' games. (I know; I'm a masochist!) A lot of people seem to be really high on Seraphin and I don't get it. He's a big body who can sometimes keep the offensive player off the block but he can't shoot and he can't rebound (tapping it back to the other team just doesn't cut it). He misses almost every shot he attempts and that's when he's right at the basket. Can someone explain what's so great about him?

Posted by: juliagraffam | March 9, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

" I think that's an actual Internet law.
Posted by: kalo_rama"

I think you mean ACTUAL INTERNET LAW.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Can someone explain what's so great about him?Posted by: juliagraffam"

Sure. When the other players blow on him, he doesn't fall over.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards are on their way to their third 50 loss season in a row, making this three season stretch the worse stretch in Wizards/Bullets history. Do you know how bad you have to be to set a new low for this sorry franchise? If Grunfeld is back next year it will be a travesty.

Posted by: sonny2 | March 9, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading these blogs and also watching the Wizards' games. (I know; I'm a masochist!) A lot of people seem to be really high on Seraphin and I don't get it. He's a big body who can sometimes keep the offensive player off the block but he can't shoot and he can't rebound (tapping it back to the other team just doesn't cut it). He misses almost every shot he attempts and that's when he's right at the basket. Can someone explain what's so great about him?

Posted by: juliagraffam | March 9, 2011 3:38 PM

He has promise and that is all I think I've read people post on here. His style of play is needed on this team. Shooting touch can and will improve. rebounding should improve when he sheds a few pounds and gets in better shape.

With all due respect (it's not just you), people have stop reading a post they don't agree with and paraphrasing it in an exagerating manner in order to get your point accross. I would love to find a post where someone used the adjective "great" to describe Seraphin. If you like or are encouraged by a player or any given aspect of the team I thought the Post invented this blog for people to express those opinions.

Posted by: gmac78 | March 9, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading these blogs and also watching the Wizards' games. (I know; I'm a masochist!) A lot of people seem to be really high on Seraphin and I don't get it. He's a big body who can sometimes keep the offensive player off the block but he can't shoot and he can't rebound (tapping it back to the other team just doesn't cut it). He misses almost every shot he attempts and that's when he's right at the basket. Can someone explain what's so great about him?

Posted by: juliagraffam

For me, I don't think he's great *now*, but I see some good foundational things from him that I like a lot and could lead him to being a good player. Not sure he'll ever be great.

The things I like:

- He likes to play physical
- He's strong
- He moves his feet well on D
- He has solid footwork on O
- He's not consistent with it yet, but he has the basics of a good jump hook
- He and Booker are essentially tied for being the best at helping on the P&R but still recovering to their men
- Now that he's dropped some weight he's a bit more explosive going to the rim
- He aggressively and physically protects the rim


He definitely has a lot of things to work on and he still gets lost in the flow from time to time. But for a rookie, there are things to like.

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Re: Seraphin:

In addition to all the things ts and gmac said, I'm encouraged by how much better he's gotten in a short period of time. Two months ago he needed a GPS and a sherpa to find his way from one end of the court to the other. As raw as he still is, he's miles better than he was at the beginning of the season. That, to me, suggests a guy with a good work ethic, an understanding of what his weaknesses are and the need to work on them, and a willingness to accept instruction/coaching. Those are qualities that have been sorely lacking in too may of the players that have worn a Wizards uniform in recent years.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards are on their way to their third 50 loss season in a row, making this three season stretch the worse stretch in Wizards/Bullets history. Do you know how bad you have to be to set a new low for this sorry franchise? If Grunfeld is back next year it will be a travesty.
Posted by: sonny2

No kidding, we need to bring back that GM that put together their best 4 season stretch in 20 years....

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If Grunfeld is back next year it will be a travesty."

Posted by: sonny2 | March 9, 2011 3:42 PM

Not to mention a sham and a mockery.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I like Seraphin too. In fact, way back in the young season, I said we should look at him more as the backup for McGee than using Yi. I suggested that Yi should be used at the 4 and even the three and not at the 5.

However, we saw little of Seraphin and now it is assumed that since we are seeing more of him now that Seraphin has made some kind of grand progression/transformation from then till now.

How do we know that Seraphin wasn't ready for measureable looks early on and that he really wasn't essentially the player we see now.

We don't know because Saunders did not play him. To indicate that he has progressed so much and learned so much as a swipe against McGee (inferred) is just poppycock.

After all basketball in France is the same as it is here and maybe we had to learn Seraphin more than he had to learn how to play.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 9, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

However, we saw little of Seraphin and now it is assumed that since we are seeing more of him now that Seraphin has made some kind of grand progression/transformation from then till now.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

You may be assuming that, personally I was comparing how he played earlier in the season to how he plays now.

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"However, we saw little of Seraphin and now it is assumed that since we are seeing more of him now that Seraphin has made some kind of grand progression/transformation from then till now."

You're the only person making that assumption because that's your go-to move: making unfounded assumptions while ignoring actual evidence.

Evidence as in:

Seraphin didn't just start playing in the last few weeks. He's been getting playing time (limited and sporadic as it was) for months. Certainly enough to get a rough idea of what he could do. And nothing in his early appearances gave any hint of the stuff he's been showing in the last few weeks. To pretend like that's not the case is, well, typical of you, really. There's no question he's gotten better, just as there's no question that he still has a long way to go. Really, the only question here is whether you yourself actually swallow any of the B.S. you habitually shovel out in your posts.

"After all basketball in France is the same as it is here and maybe we had to learn Seraphin more than he had to learn how to play."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 9, 2011 4:31 PM

Actually, is a long- and well-established fact that bball in international competition differs significantly from NBA ball in any number of significant ways, including the speed and physicality of the game, the athleticism of some of the players (particularly big men), the rules, and how the games are officiated.

So maybe all you need to learn is the not every argument can be twisted to support your "Flip sucks" dogma. Not that I expect you to stop trying.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Actually, is a long- and well-established fact that bball in international competition differs significantly from NBA ball in any number of significant ways, including the speed and physicality of the game, the athleticism of some of the players (particularly big men), the rules, and how the games are officiated.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess they don't call fouls over there since your boy has 80 PF and only 96 points for the season...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 9, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"I guess they don't call fouls over there since your boy has 80 PF and only 96 points for the season..."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 9, 2011 4:58 PM

In addition to being irrelevant to anything resembling a point, and not making anything resembling sense, it's also not the least bit clever or witty.

Hey, your first hat trick! Congrats, man(?)! Your parents(?) must be so proud.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 9, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Gene: Thanks for pointing out that Blatche is one of the Wizards' most productive players. All the Blatche haters on this blog seem to overlook his 16 ppg and 8 rpg. Considering he broke his foot in the offseason and missed most of the summer preparation, that's pretty good.

I wish everybody would stop whining about how bad the Wizards are. It's clearly a rebuilding year, and they're building a core of promising young players. Wall is going to develop an outside shot over the summer. McGee is going to mature physically and emotionally and eventually stop making bad decisions on the court. When he does that, he's really going to dominate inside with that freaky athleticism of his. Crawford has enormous potential as either a 2 or a combo. Booker and Seraphin are raw, but they've both got impressive physical talents.
Going into next year, they're going to have $20 million in cap space, another high lottery pick, and possibly another first-rounder as well.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | March 9, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

We can point to the symantics of international play and rules and how they call the game versus NBA play all we want, but the bottom line is really rather a player has got game or not.

Can Seraphin really play? Does he have game? If you can answer yes to that question or not, it doesn't obviate the fact that Saunders did not give Seraphin measureable playing time in the beginning of the season to answer it.

So for anyone to make some grand protestation that Seraphin has progressed so much under Flip's coaching or his own self accomplishment is just pure poppycock as I've stated.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 9, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

THEY don't have to get rid of nick, his contract is up, so he's outer here, now you haters, you no who you are, so I AM JUST TALKING TO YOU,you can find someone else to hate on, i can understand displeasure but not hate just for the sake of just plain hating.TS35 as bad as you want nick gone, that's how bas he wants to be gone, the feeling is mutral

Posted by: maejude | March 9, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This post is entitled "Andraty Blatche has right shoulder strain." Somehow, Kevin Seraphin has hijacked this post. Is the Wizards season so awful that we're reduced to discussing "EuroLeague Kevin's" aggresivenss and solid footwork?

Seraphin may, or may not, have a future in the NBA. Personally, for the sake of the Wizards, I want him to get his opportunity. But from what I've observed, Kevin is so raw that he's almost unbearable to watch. The man is adverse to scoring the basketball.

Admittedly, he positions himself well in the low post. He's very active defensively. He is agressive. [Then again, so is McGee] Those are positive things. But, the more Kevin plays, the more his game is exposed. From what I've observed, the Dakota Wizards and Seraphin would have been a better fit this season. Let's see what Hamady N'Diaye can do.

Posted by: musicmanjr | March 9, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

i can understand displeasure but not hate just for the sake of just plain hating.
Posted by: maejude

Precisely my point, mae. You feel free to claim that there is no chance that this team could ever be good, even with an All-Star cast, if Flip is still coach, but always claim someone is hating if they even mention Nick's name. That's not hate just for the sake of hating, right? Thanks for taking the bait.

TS35 as bad as you want nick gone, that's how bas he wants to be gone, the feeling is mutral

I actually don't really care one way or the other if Nick is here next year. I think he's made good strides this year and would be a solid SG if the Wiz kept him. But I don't think he's irreplaceable.

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Can Seraphin really play? Does he have game? If you can answer yes to that question or not, it doesn't obviate the fact that Saunders did not give Seraphin measureable playing time in the beginning of the season to answer it.

So for anyone to make some grand protestation that Seraphin has progressed so much under Flip's coaching or his own self accomplishment is just pure poppycock as I've stated.

LarryInClintonMD.

Larry you seem to have some strange notion that players show up just knowing how to 'play' and don't have to learn anything like plays, defensive rotations, what their teammates like to do, etc. Putting a player out there early on who doesn't know those things does neither him or the team much good. Especially since they already had a lot of young pieces trying to learn to play together. Again, this just seem like bending things around as far as you need to in order to make something Flip's 'fault', when in this case there's no fault to be had.

I don't personally believe that Serf has improved as much as Kalo is indicating, but he definitely has improved, at least in part because he has a better sense of where he needs to be in a given moment. That much has been pretty apparent just watching him throughout the season.

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"

THEY don't have to get rid of nick, his contract is up, so he's outer here, now you haters, you no who you are, so I AM JUST TALKING TO YOU,you can find someone else to hate on, i can understand displeasure but not hate just for the sake of just plain hating.TS35 as bad as you want nick gone, that's how bas he wants to be gone, the feeling is mutralPosted by: maejude"

I don't think he has anything against Nick, maej. He was just making fun.

Or if you prefer: JUST MAKING FUN.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Larry you seem to have some strange notion that players show up just knowing how to 'play' and don't have to learn anything like plays, defensive rotations, what their teammates like to do, etc. Putting a player out there early on who doesn't know those things does neither him or the team much good. Especially since they already had a lot of young pieces trying to learn to play together. Again, this just seem like bending things around as far as you need to in order to make something Flip's 'fault', when in this case there's no fault to be had.

I don't personally believe that Serf has improved as much as Kalo is indicating, but he definitely has improved, at least in part because he has a better sense of where he needs to be in a given moment. That much has been pretty apparent just watching him throughout the season.

Posted by: ts35 | March 9, 2011 5:53 PM

TS35,

Correct me if I'm wrong and I know you will, but Seraphin only missed SL in which Flip's system isn't instituted.

Seraphin was there for TC and are you trying to say that rookie players don't know enough to fullfill meaningful backup play for a Team. How do you explain John Wall or any other meaningfull first year player in the league that started with training camp with his Team.

If Flip's system is so complicated that a player like Seraphin can't be expected to fullfill any meaningfull play until the last quarter of the seaon, is it any wonder that Flip so far is synonymous with futility.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 9, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

re: Seraphin

What is not to like about Seraphin?

He's played basketball for a handful of years and shows great potential. He's physical, aggressive, has more of a clue about positioning already than McGee, clobbered Ron
Artest, pushed DH off the block once or twice, and seems to have good hands and the ability to develop nice moves around the basket.

I believe he has a much better future than McGee.

I don't get it.

All the talk of the team being non-physical and soft and having no inside presence blah blah blah. And, finally, we have a player who displays the potential to fill a big void and now those traits are no big deal.

To me, besides John Wall and maybe even Booker, Seraphin is a non-tradeable player.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 9, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

What is not to like about Seraphin?

He's been awful on the defensive glass, much worse than either Mcgee or Blatche have ever been in their careers. Currently Wall grabs defensive boards at the same rate as Keveen. Hopefully Serpahin will get better in that area, but given much of the season was spent ripping JM/AB for the team's poor rebounding- no reason Seraphin shouldnt suffer the same scrutiny since you asked.

Posted by: divi3 | March 9, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Well is Nick restrictred? If not, I gotta wonder why would he come back to this disfunctional mess? He mentiond Cal all the time, & how he prefers west coast. Unless he's restricted I don't expect he'll be back. Plus he loves Gil & you know he's tellin him to get outta here.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 9, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It's a joke for Keveen to get so many minutes, But then Saunders is a jokester. What was ndaye doing in the game. He isn't even good in the D league. He should have never gotten in the game. That was an embarrasment.

Posted by: bobilly2 | March 9, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

He's been awful on the defensive glass, much worse than either Mcgee or Blatche have ever been in their careers. Currently Wall grabs defensive boards at the same rate as Keveen.

Posted by: divi3 | March 9, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Can I please ask what you're basing that on?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | March 9, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"re: Seraphin. What is not to like about Seraphin?" posted by rphilli721

Why, Ernie picked him. That's what's wrong with the guy. Same thing that's wrong with Booker in the minds of some around here.

Somehow they've convinced themselves that it wasn't Ernie who drafted Nick and Javale. Apparently they leapt whole from Hera's brow.

It's just partisan stuff.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

" Hopefully Serpahin will get better in that area, but given much of the season was spent ripping JM/AB for the team's poor rebounding- no reason Seraphin shouldnt suffer the same scrutiny since you asked.
Posted by: divi3"

Yes, you mean people pick on Javale and Andray (and Nick of course). That's why the Nickistas and the Javalistas must counter-attack.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"If Flip's system is so complicated that a player like Seraphin can't be expected to fullfill any meaningfull play until the last quarter of the seaon, is it any wonder that Flip so far is synonymous with futility.
LarryInClintonMD.Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

Hang on, we'll hear from Curly and Moe before the night is through.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

To me, besides John Wall and maybe even Booker, Seraphin is a non-tradeable player.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 9, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse


That's like saying that Michael Ruffin was a non-tradeable player. Seraphin has a defensive mindset and he's fearless in the paint. But he's playing for the 4th worst team in the NBA. He's definitely tradeable for the right player.

Posted by: musicmanjr | March 9, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Zach Lowe of SI on the uninspiring playoff race in the East:

"The Pacers, current holders of the eighth slot, have lost four straight games and have gone into a major defensive slump. The Bobcats, pursuing the Pacers as if they were lazy house cats and not predators, have lost five straight. Their combined ineptitude has allowed the Bucks to stay in it even though they’ve been declared dead several times and had lost four of five before blowing out the putrid Wizards on Tuesday."

The Pacers' big advantage is a phenomenally weak schedule. However I notice they're behind by 20 in Minnesota tonight, halfway through the 3rd...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Projected Invites, 2011 Portsmouth Invitational Tournament

Top 15 seniors according to Draft Express

Jimmer Fredette PG, 6' 2", BYU
Nolan Smith PG/SG, 6' 3", Duke
Justin Harper PF, 6' 10", Richmond
Kenneth Faried PF, 6' 8", Morehead State
Demetri McCamey PG, 6' 3", Illinois
Kyle Singler SF/PF, 6' 9", Duke
JaJuan Johnson PF, 6' 10", Purdue
Keith Benson PF/C, 6' 11", Oakland
E'Twaun Moore SG, 6' 4", Purdue
David Lighty SG, 6' 5", Ohio State
Justin Holiday SG/SF, 6' 6", Washington
Marshon Brooks SG, 6' 5", Providence
Charles Jenkins PG/SG, 6' 3", Hofstra
Rick Jackson PF/C, 6' 9", Syracuse
Jon Leuer PF, 6' 10", Wisconsin

Richmond's Justin Harper has received little if any mention in WI.

Posted by: djnnnou | March 9, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is going to be hit with a shoulder strain, it's going to be Blatche. He's so scrawny it's embarrassing.

He's got a lot of talent. But he's also got this weird, wimpy body which he refuses to strengthen in the weight room.

I'm surprised that someone like Dwight Howard hasn't just ripped Blatche's little arms right off and stuck them in his ear.

Posted by: loulor | March 9, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

My response to the all-rookie blog article:

They looked pretty sick out there.......and I DON'T mean in a good way.

Still, that's what should be happening night in and night out for at least a few minutes of each game. I'm with ownership here. And was that an indirect slap at coach by LEONSIS?

BTW, McGEE should be added to that rookie group as a sixth member. After all he played like one last night.......rookie that is.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Can I please ask what you're basing that on?

His defensive rebounding numbers are terrible. Your Center cant have the same per36 and rate as your PG. Keveen currently grabs 12% of the available def rebs when he's on the floor. As a comparison, DHoward grabs 30% and Mcgee gets 22%.

Posted by: divi3 | March 9, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, you mean people pick on Javale and Andray (and Nick of course). That's why the Nickistas and the Javalistas must counter-attack.

Pathetic, even by Samson standards.

Posted by: divi3 | March 9, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Well I'd like to see Seraphin get more pt.

No he's not a finished product and right now he's not a good player. But he's young (20 I think), and he's physically a legit PF. He has the true size (6-9 or 6-10), weight/strength, and physicality needed, unlike the undersized Booker or the soft Blatche and Yi. He looks to have good hands & footwork, some low post moves and touch on his shot, willingness to box out and set picks.

Because of that, he has potential worth trying to develop. He may only ever be a bench player, but I think he could become a solid part of rotation player.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 9, 2011 11:09 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

Did you read the full rules before posting?

Didn't you know you are not allowed to use facts as part of your post...

It confuses people who don't have a clue and just want to believe what the Wizard organization is telling them.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 9, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Well I'd like to see Seraphin get more pt.

No he's not a finished product and right now he's not a good player. But he's young (20 I think), and he's physically a legit PF. He has the true size (6-9 or 6-10), weight/strength, and physicality needed, unlike the undersized Booker or the soft Blatche and Yi. He looks to have good hands & footwork, some low post moves and touch on his shot, willingness to box out and set picks.

Because of that, he has potential worth trying to develop. He may only ever be a bench player, but I think he could become a solid part of rotation player.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 9, 2011 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Well I'd like to see Seraphin get more pt.

No he's not a finished product and right now he's not a good player. But he's young (20 I think), and he's physically a legit PF.

He should and probably will play serious minutes the rest of the way....I'd like to see him at PF more as well

Posted by: divi3 | March 9, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"Pathetic, even by Samson standards.
Posted by: divi3"

There's Moe...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2011 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"divi3,
It confuses people who don't have a clue and just want to believe what the Wizard organization is telling them.
Posted by: bulletsfan78 "

And finally, the we have Curley.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

"His defensive rebounding numbers are terrible. Your Center cant have the same per36 and rate as your PG. Keveen currently grabs 12% of the available def rebs when he's on the floor. As a comparison, DHoward grabs 30% and Mcgee gets 22%.Posted by: divi3"

Here we go torturing stats again. Kevin is averaging less than 10 minutes a game, and most of that has come recently.

Let's face it, his sin is mainly that he was drafted by a GM you hate.

For a better evaluation of Seraphin's real strengths and weaknesses, try this:

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/02/kevin-seraphins-development-from-illegal-screens-to-strong-post-moves-washington-wizards.html

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Also, for a more reasoned and objective eval of Javale's progress, try this:

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/03/washington-wizards-continued-javale-mcgee-learning-experience.html

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Try this to objectively eval of Ernie and Flip's progress...

16-47

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 10, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

From an Indy blog on the Pacers struggles (they lost by 26 tonight, fifth in a row I think):

"The Pacers went on a tear to start Vogel's tenure and the offense appeared to take off. The team saw a big jump in their per game scoring numbers and even ran off 12 straight games of 100 points or more. This happened because the team focused on pushing the pace but their overall offensive efficiency essentially stayed the same."

"The [fact that the Pacers] ...padded their stats with some big wins against terrible teams has obscured the fact that the offense really hasn't improved all that much. Under Vogel the Pacers have been scoring 104.9 points per 100 possessions. Under Jim O'Brien they were scoring 104.0 points per possessions."

"These early successes under the new regime obscured an important fact that the team seems unaware of (I sure hope not) or unwilling to accept: Hibbert in the low post and Collison working in isolation or pick-and-rolls have been extremely inefficient offensive sets for the Pacers."

"Here are a few numbers from Synergy Sports:
* 50.6% of Roy Hibbert's possessions this season have been used in post-ups. In those situations he's averaging 0.82 points per possession, good for 88th in the league. He's shooting 41.9% and turning the ball over on 11.9% of those possessions.
* 20.9% of Darren Collison's possessions this season have been used isolations. In those situations he's averaging 0.82 points per possession, good for 107th in the league. He's shooting 40.6% and turning the ball over on 16.8% of those possessions.
* 23.9% of Darren Collison's possessions this season have been used in pick-and-rolls. In those situations he's averaging 0.70 point per possession, good for 119th in the league. He's shooting 38.6% and turning the ball over on 11.5% of those possessions."

"...despite the huge amounts of blame heaped on Jim O'Brien for Collison's struggles in the first half of the season, this shouldn't have been entirely unexpected. In his rookie season with New Orleans Collison averaged a terrific 0.96 points per possession on isolations, good for 31st in the league. However, he averaged 0.68 points per possession on pick-and-rolls, good for 142nd in the league."

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 12:27 AM | Report abuse

"Try this to objectively eval of Ernie and Flip's progress...16-47Posted by: bulletsfan78"

But isn't that an eval of the players, as well?

Or maybe Flip and Ernie are out there on the court and my cable package just isn't showing them...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"Try this to objectively eval of Ernie and Flip's progress...16-47Posted by: bulletsfan78"

But isn't that an eval of the players, as well?

Or maybe Flip and Ernie are out there on the court and my cable package just isn't showing them...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Sure it is...it's an eval of the whole organization and a 16-47 record shows they all(player, coach and GM) suck

Who picked the players again?

Ernie

He's the best...

Give the man a raise he found Seraphin didn't he...

I am sure the same people on here who are saying Seraphin is a great find today...

will be complaining 4 years from now that he hasn't evolved and still makes stupid mistakes...

but those same people will tell us Ernie had no choice since he was the only player available at that pick?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 10, 2011 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe Flip and Ernie are out there on the court and my cable package just isn't showing them...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 12:29 AM

And what part of your cable TV-package doesn't show Flip on the sideline during the games orchestrating and micro-managing every on the court move.

Is your cable TV-package showing a disclaimer crawl across the bottom of the screen that says;

Sports Flash-Sports Flash: Coach on the sideline has no influence on the players play. GM not responsible for Coach or player success. Sports Flash-End.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 10, 2011 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Just sit Baltche for the rest of the way. We are in a tight race for lottery balls now and I say we lose out and start an all rookie team. I would be way more entertained by that team anyways. Baltch has been either fat or injured all season so just give up on him. Booker is our best big man now.

Baltche. I can't believe they put that on his jersey. i went to a game about a month ago and they dropped some cows with parachutes from the rafters as a chik fila promo. I jumped up and caught one of them. The coupon attached to it expired in early 2010. Thanks for the expired coupons and misspelled jerseys Leonsis. You're doing a great job.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | March 10, 2011 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Can I please ask what you're basing that on?

His defensive rebounding numbers are terrible. Your Center cant have the same per36 and rate as your PG. Keveen currently grabs 12% of the available def rebs when he's on the floor. As a comparison, DHoward grabs 30% and Mcgee gets 22%.

Posted by: divi3 | March 9, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I figured that's the stat you would pull.
Now we're comparing a guy you said was trash and didn't belong in the NBA at all to Dwight Howard and a 3rd year C...he's played what 38 games?

I don't like those Per/40 numbers because if that's the case it says that Yi is a better defensive rebounder than Booker. It also assumes what Seraphin will do for 31 minutes since he plays 9 minutes a game.

Since it's all we have to go on...how does Seraphin stack up to Dwight Howard and Kevin Love on the offensive boards?

I guess we can say none of them have ever been that good at that in their career too right?

Seraphin plays C/PF and his defensive numbers (according to that) need to improve but he's not too far below league average. His willingness to mix it up down low is encouraging and I think it will improve with more playing time.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | March 10, 2011 6:59 AM | Report abuse

"Who picked the players again?
Ernie" Posted by bulletsfan78

Who plays the games, again? The guy in short pants...

I feel certain Ernie and Flip are frequently tempted to suit up and play during games like the one in Milwaukee. Too late, I guess.

"I am sure the same people on here who are saying Seraphin is a great find today..." posted by bulletsfan78

Of course nobody's calling Seraphin a 'great find', just somebody who's improved in limited opportunity. But that doesn't serve your purpose, so you distort it.

"will be complaining 4 years from now that he hasn't evolved and still makes stupid mistakes...but those same people will tell us Ernie had no choice since he was the only player available at that pick?Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Four years? You've been criticizing the kid for months. But that's because your real complaint is that EG drafted him. In your book, that's enough.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 7:01 AM | Report abuse

"And what part of your cable TV-package doesn't show Flip on the sideline during the games orchestrating and micro-managing every on the court move."LarryInClintonMD.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

Don't worry --- Andray and Javale aren't listening anyway.

You're the real micro-manager around here.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2011 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Blatche Is horrible. Why he got run in the first place is a mystery to me.

Posted by: rskinz34 | March 10, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

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