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Posted at 1:25 PM ET, 03/ 1/2011

Jump ball: Was Bibby buyout a win-win situation?

By Washington Post editors

It looks like Mike Bibby will be joining the Miami Heat. On Monday he accepted a buyout from the Wizards that required him to give back his entire $6.2 million salary next season. And now @IraHeatBeat has tweeted: "Carlos Arroyo not with Heat, with coach Erik Spoelstra saying statement to follow from Pat Riley. In other words, Bibby is a done deal."

This morning Ted Leonsis blogged:

Our buyout allows the player to essentially be a free agent and go play where ever he wants this season.
But it allows us to get cap space for next season. And save a lot of payroll dollars.
We can treat the trade like it is an expiring contract and it also allows us to play our young players even more this season in the remaining 20 games or so.
A win/win for us and for Mike Bibby.
The Kirk Hinrich trade is a gift that keeps on giving for us.

Do you agree? Did the Wizards and Bibby benefit equally from the deal? Is the chance to win a title worth $6.2 million dollars?

By Washington Post editors  | March 1, 2011; 1:25 PM ET
 
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1) Did the Wiz and Bibby benefit equally? In my book, yep. Bibby might have been nice to have around, but ultimately there's more value in not having someone here who doesn't want to be here, and having more time for guys like Crawford and Shakur see the court. If Bibby's more interested in playing for a winner and is willing to give up the cash, I've got no problem with that.

2) Is a chance to win a title work $6.2M? For a guy like Bibby, who's been very close, especially with those Sacto teams, yeah I think so. He's made enough in his career to be set up for life, but he only has so many chances left at a ring.

Posted by: ts35 | March 1, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Our buyout allows the player to essentially be a free agent and go play where ever he wants this season.

This is where Ted's lack of basketball understanding starts to hurt. Who cares what Bibby wanted?! Les BouleZ easily could have waited til summer and then moved his expiring contract to a team like Miami, who, following their looming 2nd round choke, will be looking to add the proverbial "final piece"...

EG, who initially said Bibby was going to mentor JWoww, must have Flip flopped and told Teddy he needed the monopoly money to play with. Now EG is free to stack more stepped-on former lottery picks (a la Marriott Armstrong, Shaun Livingston, Al Thornton etc. etc. etc.) as well as stepped-on non former lottery picks you've never heard of (Tupac, Gee Wiz, Timex, Lester Hudson, etc. etc. etc.)

I bet Cassell was the saddest to see him go --he and Bibby grew up on the same planet.
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Posted by: prescrunk | March 1, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"This is where Ted's lack of basketball understanding starts to hurt. Who cares what Bibby wanted?! Les BouleZ easily could have waited til summer and then moved his expiring contract to a team like Miami, who, following their looming 2nd round choke, will be looking to add the proverbial "final piece"...

I imagine Bibby's personal desires weren't all that big a deal to Ted, either. I never thought Bibby would take that big a hit. Probably would have been good to keep him into the off-season as an expiring, but hey, if the $$ made sense, jump on it.

From a management standpoint, that Hinrich trade really has been terrific, however. Wish some of the others had turned out as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

How could it be a win for Washington, unless our goal was to unload Hinrich? Cap space don't put points on the board (although neither did Bibby, very much)! I say Flip has had his shot. We all hoped for something, but there isn't much progress and before long, John Wall will get discouraged and jump ship (or just check out). If the savings in payroll translated into cheaper ticket prices, that may be a strategy, but I wouldn't pay half price to see a half-rate BBall team scrimage against the rest of the league. At some point, we need to build the team we have and quit shuffling the cards. I haven't seen a trade yet where we got the better end of the deal, although dumping Arenas may have come close...

Posted by: steveinWashington | March 1, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but don't see much changing with this franchise until Grunfeld gets the gate. Sure they have some prime picks but what are they going to do with them in a rather mediocre draft??

Posted by: BruinSteve | March 1, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The Kirk Hinrich trade is a gift that keeps on giving for us.

And the Ernie Grunfeld GM is a gift that keeps on taking. How many mulligans does this dude get?! #FAIL

86EG!!!

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Posted by: prescrunk | March 1, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Reasonably fun article on Mike Bibby's defense(?!) from ESPN:

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2011/3/1/2022871/espn-bibby-miami-heat-atlanta-hawks-defense

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

There is literally no downside to the deal for the Wizards. None.

Neither Hinrich nor Bibby was going to have a major impact on this team's win/loss record the rest of this season. Hell, no one short of Lebron was going to do that. This is a team that's going to lose a lot of games this year. Period. Trading Hinrich for Bibby gave the team a talented young prospect and an extra first round pick. Buying out Bibby gave them an extra $6 mill in cap room that might be used next season 9whenever that is) to poach some talent from capped out teams looking to shed salary to get under the inevitable hard(er) cap. Meanwhile, Bibby gets a chance (maybe) for a coattail ride into the Finals (although i doubt it).

Both sides got what they wanted. That's the dictionary definition of a win/win.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"I haven't seen a trade yet where we got the better end of the deal, although dumping Arenas may have come close...Posted by: steveinWashington"

The Chicago trade turned out one-sided in the Wiz' favor. Here's a pretty good analysis:

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/02/the-necessary-departure-of-kirk-hinrich-from-washington-wizards.html

As for the Arenas swap, I was surprised they were able to move him at all -- and still am. The Wiz had to take on Rashard Lewis' contract, but the terms are a bit better than Gilbert's.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Probably would have been good to keep him into the off-season as an expiring, but hey, if the $$ made sense, jump on it.
Posted by: Samson151

Possibly, but inevitably you end up taking someone's salary back.

Posted by: ts35 | March 1, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I am tired of hearing about cap space. Steve hit the nail on the head when he said "Cap space don't put points on the board"! Who do they think would want to come here? That money will ultimately go to more failed draft picks.

Posted by: Boogadiggy | March 1, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

There is literally no downside to the deal for the Wizards...Bibby gets a chance (maybe) for a coattail ride into the Finals (although i doubt it)...Both sides got what they wanted. That's the dictionary definition of a win/win.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2011 2:12 PM


Don't do it. Hold onto him and use him as trade bait over the summer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 28, 2011 1:53 AM


Holding onto him until the summer and trying to work a deal then (either before or after what seems like the inevitable lockout) might meet with more success...

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 28, 2011 2:01 AM


Kalo-rama starting to believe EG's bu11shyt?! Say it ain't so!

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Posted by: prescrunk | March 1, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Probably would have been good to keep him into the off-season as an expiring . . . "

That was my initial feeling, but the fact that Bibby gave up his entire salary for next season tipped the scales in the Wizards' favor. The cap space they got in the buyout will be as or more valuable than any player they likely could have gotten in exchange for Bibby in an offseason trade. The only te3ams interested in him are contenders, and they would have been limited in what they could/would give up to get him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Meant to throw this out there earlier, but it's still slightly germane to the subject at hand....

The one positive I saw in last night's game is that the Wizards are now much quicker and more athletic at guard than they were to start the season. They're a little helter-skelter, especially Crawford, but they also play with a lot of energy. They need to focus their energy a bit better, but hopefully that comes with time. In the meantime they should be able to make opposing teams work a bit harder in the backcourt. We just need to see more of that same effort and energy from the frontcourt.

Posted by: ts35 | March 1, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The Kirk Hinrich trade is a gift that keeps on giving for us.

very true. bibby would just be a cranky sore loser if he stayed. let him move on, and we get cap space next year. now he can jump on the heat band wagon and stand in the corner and let lebron run the point.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | March 1, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

That was my initial feeling, but the fact that Bibby gave up his entire salary for next season tipped the scales in the Wizards' favor. The cap space they got in the buyout will be as or more valuable than any player they likely could have gotten in exchange for Bibby in an offseason trade. The only te3ams interested in him are contenders, and they would have been limited in what they could/would give up to get him.

Posted by: kalo_rama

I pretty much agree with this, the only thing that would mitigate it at all is if they were able to get another pick, like they did with Hinrich. Granted, though, for the teams who would consider Bibby, it would be an end of the first round pick. At the same time, given that the going rate for first rounders this past year was around $3M, they can use the cost savings from Bibby to buy a couple :)

Posted by: ts35 | March 1, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Come people, we got 6 million for what? Hey let's get some great big men in here, will ya. I see lot's of dumb mistakes being made here lately. It was a good deal for Bibby but not necessary for us. I don't say keep someone around that doesn't want to be here but feel things out before you give up someone for someone that doesn't like Washington. No one seems to like us these days. I keep telling you get a tough coach and fire Grumfield. His time is up as far as I'm concerned. Someone contact Utah's old coach (money talks you know and we need a no nonsense COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S TIME TO START THINKING SMART BEFORE WE LOSE OUT DEVOTED FANS.

Posted by: paulaburto3 | March 1, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The buyout may be even better than spinning Bibby into another pick. Eventually there's a law of diminishing returns for these late 1st picks. We already have too many young guys who need PT, yet another pick probably isnt as beneficial as the CAP space to grab an FA or re-sign one of our own.

Posted by: divi3 | March 1, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

We have our own first round pick, Atlanta's first, and Phil Chenier mentioned something about a conditional pick. Does anyone remember whose pick that was and what the conditions were?

Posted by: k_boogie | March 1, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"The buyout may be even better than spinning Bibby into another pick. Eventually there's a law of diminishing returns for these late 1st picks. We already have too many young guys who need PT, yet another pick probably isnt as beneficial as the CAP space to grab an FA or re-sign one of our own."

Posted by: divi3 | March 1, 2011 2:45 PM

Agreed. Between the Wiz's own pick, the pick they got from Atlanta, and Crawford, they're pretty full up on cubs. The additional cap space will be better spent on filling in the margins with some experience.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

And hats off to EG, with the flashes Crawford is showing...he looks like a player we could have been happy to trade straight-up for Kirk (given our situation). To think we also received a pick, Evans, and shed Bibby's contract...looks like a steal of a deal IMO

Posted by: divi3 | March 1, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Just think if we did not win the lottery last year to get Wall. I have been a season ticket holder for a long time until last year. Based on our record, there needs to be changes with the GM and coach. We need someone who can evaluate talent and someone to coach them.

Posted by: Drkitchen | March 1, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

he didn't want to be here and we didn't want him here anyway, good riddance, I just hope he clangs many a long jumpers in the playoffs

Posted by: bford1kb | March 1, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The one positive I saw in last night's game is that the Wizards are now much quicker and more athletic at guard than they were to start the season. They're a little helter-skelter, especially Crawford, but they also play with a lot of energy. They need to focus their energy a bit better, but hopefully that comes with time. In the meantime they should be able to make opposing teams work a bit harder in the backcourt.

Crawford is blazing fast! A few times I thought he was Wall because he got down court so quickly AND tried to make a pass. He's right on the verge of outta control, but wow, so much obvious talent in that guy and he's on his rookie deal...what a great pickup.

Posted by: divi3 | March 1, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Crawford seems to have good court vision for a guy who was tagged as a scorer coming out of college. Once he slows down and plays a bit more under control, the playmaking aspect of his game could be a real asset.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Until they try and play Crawford at center.LOL! Flip and company are great for playing players out of position and then wonder why they play the way they do. It won't be long before they screw the kid up. As for Leonsis, he may want to rethink his strategy because I don't see Wall signing with this team if we are still in the cellar when he becomes a free agent. This is not hockey and the way to win is a combination of draft picks and savy vets. Not get it like our team seems to be full of. How the hell can what is left of this team teach anybody anything other than Howard. I agree with Gilbert, they are just bouncing bad ways off one another. Garbage in garbage out!

Posted by: ivyleague | March 1, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes, another fantastic move for the future, this time with a little luck.

If you only look at the present season, all of these moves must seem stupid to fans.

Posted by: EdDC | March 1, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Steve hit the nail on the head when he said "Cap space don't put points on the board"! Who do they think would want to come here? That money will ultimately go to more failed draft picks.Posted by: Boogadiggy"

Another odd argument. Cap space is precisely how teams add 'points' in the form of additional scorers. And the sort of player who wouldn't want to come to Washington would be an end-of-career type looking for a ring or a marginal sort mainly seeking this year's playoff check.

Not that the Wiz particularly need either one...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Until they try and play Crawford at center.LOL! Flip and company are great for playing players out of position and then wonder why they play the way they do. It won't be long before they screw the kid up."

Hold up there a second -- I sure don't see Jordan Crawford as a future star. He was drafted what, 27th of 30 in the first? In other words, right before Greivis Vasquez. A solid reserve would be enough.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

the heat ain't winning no stinkin' trophy this year or next. Sorry Bibby,... no ring for you or Lebron.

Posted by: rwmaia1 | March 1, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Enough about all the money we've saved. Now go out and do something with it. What good (to the fans) is money without wins?

Posted by: tundey | March 1, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to think that Ted is as delusional as Ernie.

The Wiz are going to pay Bibby's remaining salary this season and he's going to count 1 Mil against the Wiz salary cap next season.

While still paying Rashard Lewis almost 19 million for the next two years.

Isn't it obvious that no one with real talent wants to play for this disjointed, dysfunctional, poorly coached and managed team?

I give up!!!!

Posted by: squidward1 | March 1, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Samson must be stuck on stupid. How does money sitting in a bank score points? Who was the last big time free agent to sign with Washington? People run from Washington not TO Washington.

Posted by: Boogadiggy | March 1, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

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