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Posted at 8:07 AM ET, 03/11/2011

Near-demotion spurs Trevor Booker

By Washington Post editors
Morning brew

About two months ago, Coach Flip Saunders considered sending Trevor Booker to the Wizards' Development-League affiliate before Booker gave him reason to think otherwise.

"I said, because I know what you do, if you play hard, you can be a very effective player in this league. From that time forward, he's played hard every time," Saunders explained.

Meanwhile, Josh Howard returned to practice yesterday after sitting out the past week, and missing the past three games, with a pulled left hamstring.

Columnist Tracee Hamilton says Ted Leonsis should not just change the colors of the logo: A whole new wizard is needed.

Before yesterday's Lakers-Heat matchup, Pat Riley said Coach Erik Spoelstra shouldn't worry about job security (The Early Lead).

Box Seats blogger Kevin Broom offers a minute-by-minute evaluation of JaVale McGee.

The man behind G-Wiz and G-Man talks about life as a mascot in Sunday's Post Magazine.

AROUND THE WEB
The Miami Heat ended their five-game skid with a victory over the Lakers (Brian Windhorst, ESPN.com).

Kobe Bryant was shooting around for more than an hour after the game. In Miami (Yahoo!Sports).

By Washington Post editors  | March 11, 2011; 8:07 AM ET
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Comments

That Kevin Broom analysis of Javale was interesting. From Broom's article:

"To summarize: The data suggests that when McGee plays well and stays out of foul trouble, he gets more minutes and the team plays better. It does not appear to support the argument that the team would be better if only the coaching staff would get him more playing time."

I think even Javale's most ardent supporters would acknowledge he's been much less consistent since that dunk contest.

OK maybe not...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Broom's post was an interesting read, but one can reach the same conclusion with a pair of eyes.

I found an old quote on draftexpress written on 2008 that about sums up JaVale:

"Offensively, McGee has nice touch around the hoop, and shows some glimpses of a jump-hook shot or a turnaround jumper. It all comes in very small doses, though, as he lacks the strength to establish (and hold) any real position for himself in the paint, and looks very uncomfortable banging in the post and trying to finish against opposition. His footwork is quite average, and he rushes his shots badly, lacking a great feel for how to set his man up and often preferring to fade away softly from contact rather than go up and finish strong. He’s particularly ineffective trying to finish moves from the left block, as his left hand is just non-existent and he makes a mess trying to force up difficult shots with his right.

Even though McGee has a hard time finding good shots for himself in the paint, he’s still somewhat of a black hole, as his 0.8 assists compared with 3.0 turnovers per game average might suggest. Once the ball go towards his direction, it’s very rarely going to come out, as he is more likely to just heave a bad shot up on the rim rather than survey the area using his height and maybe kick the ball out."

Posted by: bozomoeman | March 11, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Can Ted send Flip down to the D-League...maybe that will help motivate him to be a better coach?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 11, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"Broom's post was an interesting read, but one can reach the same conclusion with a pair of eyes."Posted by: bozomoeman

Not everyone here on WI, apparently.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Reference Broom's minute by minute take on McGee:

Yep, the stat's seem to have a direct correlation to exactly the way Flip coaches McGee and McGee has Flip's mindset down pat. If he goes in and makes mistakes early or appears to be in la'la' land, he knows he is being pulled immediately and his chances of having a high minute productive game is zero.

McGee knows it, we know it, and Flip never fails to coach McGee the same way. Flip never gives McGee the chance to overcome a bad beginning.

It is all very evident and the stats seem to verify it. It is like a self-fulfilling phophecy.

If McGee starts a game off positively without making mistakes, chances are he knows that the will get time on the floor.

If McGee goes out and picks up a stupid foul or makes a silly mistake he knows that Flip will quickly have him on the bench. You can tell it in his body language.

Everybody knows this, but if Flip was smart he would try to change this negative repetitive cycle other than just having him on the bench and reducing his playing time.

Why, because other Teams know this is a quick way to neutralize McGee in a game and most importantly, if Flip could figure out how to let McGee overcome mistakes on the floor rather than by always benching him, it might have an positive impact for the Team, something that the stats says isn't happening yet.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I confess to being confused by Flip comments about Booker.

In summer league, Booker showed his potential. That he was unimpressive at the start of the regular season should not have been a surprise. I'd chaulk that up to getting adjusted to being a Pro and confidence.

Add to the fact that all the early season minutes when to Blatche, Yi and Armstrong.
I suppose Flip's assessment were from practice.

Whatever.

Can Booker become a player like Rodman? An undersize PF or SF capable of averaging double digit rebounds?

Posted by: bozomoeman | March 11, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

think even Javale's most ardent supporters would acknowledge he's been much less consistent since that dunk contest.

OK maybe not...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 9:08 AM

If the coach and the Team seemed to indicate that McGee being in the dunk contest wasn't an important achievement and something not to be proud of and did nothing to prop him up for it....what kind of impact you think McGee feels about this whole AllStar Gala thing, something he obviously felt very good about in reference to the perception of Flip and the Org'.

It might sour him in how he feels Flip and the Org feels about him. It very well could.

We can talk about how the dunk contest isn't important and McGee needs to learn how to do this or that, but as a Coach and a Org' you have to be careful about the message you send to your players.

But all of that being said, it doesn't excuse McGee from not performing well, but I have to ask, why are you singling McGee out for bad performance on this Team???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Booker said he didn't really know how to take the threat of a D-League demotion. "I still did my same routine. I still got extra shots up. Nothing changed really. I just wanted an opportunity to get on the court."

shows how dumb flip really is, but his sympathizers will credit him. flip was forced to play players like him and nick young. court time made them better. he probly got a call from ernie or ted saying, play him and seraphin over guys like hilton armstrong.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | March 11, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Broom's post was an interesting read, but one can reach the same conclusion with a pair of eyes."Posted by: bozomoeman
Not everyone here on WI, apparently.
Posted by: Samson151"

Boy, did I call that one.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I like Booker as a player. He is better when he plays hard, however. That's his game. I mean, who could imagine Blake Griffin going at half-speed? Same thing's true for Trevor. Once he slows down, his flaws take over.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

" but I have to ask, why are you singling McGee out for bad performance on this Team???
LarryInClintonMD.Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

Who singled out McGee? Commented on Kevin Broom's piece and noted McGee has been very inconsistent since the dunk contest. And he has. Unlike you, I'm not blaming it on Flip.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Yep, the stat's seem to have a direct correlation to exactly the way Flip coaches McGee and McGee has Flip's mindset down pat. If he goes in and makes mistakes early or appears to be in la'la' land, he knows he is being pulled immediately and his chances of having a high minute productive game is zero.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Larry, in your zeal to lay the blame at the feet of the coach, you once again miss the obvious. None of it would be a problem if McGee would stop repeating the same mistakes. At what point are you ever going to hold a player (other than KH) responsible for their play?

Posted by: ts35 | March 11, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Washington Post editors need to be demoted.

Posted by: prescrunk | March 11, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Broom's post was an interesting read, but one can reach the same conclusion with a pair of eyes."Posted by: bozomoeman

Not everyone here on WI, apparently.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 10:04 AM

Especially the ones without an objective pair of eyes.

Those stats clearly point out a direct correlation to time on the floor.

Time on the floor for McGee has been a pattern that has repeated itself over and over again by how he plays in the first few minutes of the game.

Now maybe if McGee could figure out how not to make basketball mistakes in the first few minutes of every game, thereby alleviating Flip from benching him and shorting his time on the floor, then maybe his stats would be even better for the Team.

IMO, it is impossible for McGee to change the outcome of the stats when he is always on the bench based upon how he plays in the beginning of games.

Hell yes McGee makes the mistakes, but that is where coaching comes in. Flip's solution so far to McGee making early mistakes in a game is to bench him and short his minutes for that game. Never fails. It is the way Flip coaches McGee and the whole league knows it.

Samson151, try looking at the big picture sometimes.

You only see those stats as an indictment against McGee. I on the other hand look further than just McGee. You are just like a doctor who only treats the symptoms and not the cause.

Flip Saunders subscribes to those methods as well. I can tell you without a doubt by only benching McGee for starting games badly isn't solving the problem.

Do you see any evidence that the repetitive benching of McGee for starting games badly has caused McGee to improve.

I haven't, but Flip keeps applying that same band-aid.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The title of this thread is funny given that Booker says the threat did nothing to change his routine or what he was doing.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 11, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Hey I thought of a great new team name, what about The Washington Abes, in honor of Abe Pollin and Abe Lincoln.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 11, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

It's just sad that the only bright spot this whole season other than Wall has been Booker, and Flip is obviously trying desperately to receive credit for Booker's performance for himself in an attempt to keep his job and come across as a great developer of young players. After the way he has handled the young players all season and been completely inept and talked down the young players in the media all season, while raving about guys like Hinrich and Howard. It's absolutely pathetic.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 11, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

JUMP BALL!

How should the Wizards adress their obvious need at the center position?

Wizards Insider poster kalo_rama stated the following:
"After suffering through several years of rebuilding in Memphis and finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, why would Gasol leave Memphis to join a Wizards team that's still in stage one of rebuilding?"

Should the Wizards pursue a FA center like Gasol, or someone else? Should they use their top draft pick on a center such as Enes Canter?

JUMP BALL!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 11, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Hell yes McGee makes the mistakes, but that is where coaching comes in. Flip's solution so far to McGee making early mistakes in a game is to bench him and short his minutes for that game. Never fails. It is the way Flip coaches McGee and the whole league knows it.

Larry, is JaVale responsible for getting out of bed in the morning?

And that's not even addressing the gross misrepresentation you're making. JaVale is most often in the game for long enough to make more than a few mistakes. All of which Flip is responsible for I'm sure.

Posted by: ts35 | March 11, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

it will be interesting to see in the off-season, who gets a raise? It is almost impossible for me to understand how anybody who has played on that team can justify what they are getting, and entitled to more. As a defense, they don't rebound, play defense or have anybody who is a threat in the post. The good thing is there will be 3-4 new better players next year, and some of the noncontributing parts will be gone.

Posted by: outrbnksm | March 11, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Larry, in your zeal to lay the blame at the feet of the coach, you once again miss the obvious. None of it would be a problem if McGee would stop repeating the same mistakes. At what point are you ever going to hold a player (other than KH) responsible for their play?

Posted by: ts35 | March 11, 2011 10:50 AM

I don't think I gave McGee a pass for his bad play. It seems that way because I always go back to coaching.

Ts35, come on man, don't go selective memory on me. You're too good for that. Haven't I been nice about the fact that Yi should not be playing center? Haven't I been nice about the fact that John Wall doesn't know how to run a break with his mates? I've crucified Nick Young.

But ts35, it is pointless to keep pointing out the inconsistencies of shipmates when the Captain is always steering into stormy waters.

Those stats on McGee. His best numbers as pointed out is when he plays high minutes. Correct. The probabilites are good it seems when McGee plays high minutes.

What determines high minutes for McGee?

How he plays in the first few minutes of the game. Play well = High minutes. Play bad = low minutes.

Who makes that decision? Flip Saunders. When McGee plays badly in the first few minutes of the game Flip always follows the same formula. Could Flip change it?

How does Flip or anyone know that when McGee comes out and stinks up the joint, but yet Flip still gives him major minutes that McGee will not turn a bad start to a good game.

We don't know that yet. Flip hasn't tried it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

@LarryInClintonMD,

I want JaVale on the court, but IMO,I think his minutes are shortened by his level of maturity more than by Flip.

I've sat through more than a few games of late when I've called the young man everything but a "child of God" while watching some of his repeated mistakes.

I still see JaVale as all upside, but he's going to need 2 to 3 years to grow up emotionally and physically.

I see him being a more explosive version of Tyson Chandler and more offensively gifted as well.

It took a while for the light to come on for Chandler. Let's hope it lights for JaVale.

Posted by: bozomoeman | March 11, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Samson151, try looking at the big picture sometimes.You only see those stats as an indictment against McGee. I on the other hand look further than just McGee. You are just like a doctor who only treats the symptoms and not the cause." posted by LarryInClintonMD

Wrong again, my obstinate friend. The stats don't 'indict' McGee. They just illuminate an issue about his play. And here's the author's conclusion:

"To summarize: The data suggests that when McGee plays well and stays out of foul trouble, he gets more minutes and the team plays better. It does not appear to support the argument that the team would be better if only the coaching staff would get him more playing time."

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Y'know, maybe Javale is struggling because they traded Kirk Hinrich and Hil Armstrong. Maybe Kirk was mentoring him.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I dont remember the part of the season where Booker didnt play hard.

Posted by: divi3 | March 11, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

And about Booker. Folks have already pointed it out and I am in complete agreeance.

The only thing that has been said about Booker every since he's been here is the effort, hustle, hard play, and guts that he has shown from day one.

And now this Saunders fellow comes out and says in public that he was pontificating sending Booker to the D's for lack of effort, not playing hard.

Can we say that anyone on this Team has shown more effort and hard play than Booker?

So what message was Saunders sending in this case?

I asked for the best Saunders supporters to explain this, Samson151, Kalo_rama, and SDMDTSU, but so far they have begged off.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I dont remember the part of the season where Booker didnt play hard. Posted by: divi3

There was a period after the trade where I thought he looked a bit lost on the court. I didn't see it as not playing with effort, but more as not being aggressive.

Posted by: djnnnou | March 11, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ts35, come on man, don't go selective memory on me. You're too good for that. Haven't I been nice about the fact that Yi should not be playing center? Haven't I been nice about the fact that John Wall doesn't know how to run a break with his mates? I've crucified Nick Young.

Well first, you never so much criticized Yi's play as you did Flip for playing him there (and for not trying Yi at SF, which btw, is laughable). The other two I don't remember. I do remember you consistently and frequently saying that Flip should have the team play more uptempo all the time because that's Wall's and the team's game. I guess that's despite your criticism that Wall doesn't run a break properly? I have zero recollection of you criticizing NY, except maybe to say he's no Gilbert.

But ts35, it is pointless to keep pointing out the inconsistencies of shipmates when the Captain is always steering into stormy waters.

No acutally, it's intellectually honest to try to lay the blame where it properly belongs. And I have yet to hear you actually blame McGee for anything. You've indicated that he makes mistakes and doesn't always play well. But I have yet to hear you fault his preparation or his professionalism. Only blame Flip. You want Flip to treat him like a man, perhaps he should act like one as well.

How does Flip or anyone know that when McGee comes out and stinks up the joint, but yet Flip still gives him major minutes that McGee will not turn a bad start to a good game.

We don't know that yet. Flip hasn't tried it.

Wow, seriously? He's averaging 26 minutes a game. He made some atrocious decisions in the Milwaukee game and Flip left him in.

And beyond that, let's be honest. When McGee makes mistakes, he is prone to making some doozies. Remember McGee letting Bogut walk by him and throw it down? Andrew Bogut of the well-documented lightning quick first step, right? If that was KH, or more accurately *when* that was KH, you grilled him for not locking up on his man. You gave McGee a pass. Didn't hear a peep. I know you'll start right in with him being confused about his other responsibilities and such. But he was head up with Bogut. Bogut had the ball. He didn't have any other pressing responsibility then except to prevent his man from going to the basket or challenging his J. Bogut didn't even have to pump fake him.

If you want to criticize Flip for the quick hook, go ahead. But be honest enough to equally criticize McGee for his own part in it. He's in his third year in the league, there are mistakes he should not still be making. And he should have developed other parts of his game by now.


Posted by: ts35 | March 11, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

As a related side note, I'm sure most of you saw the bit referenced above about Kobe staying late to work on his J after the loss last night.

If I were Flip, I would have that clip playing on loop when the players come in today. One of the best players in the game on one of the best teams, lost a close game to one of the other best teams. Coming off of an 8-game winning streak. And felt bad enough above missing a couple of jumpers down the stretch to stay for an extra hour and a half to work on it. Pretty sure Phil didn't have to ask him to do that.

Posted by: ts35 | March 11, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Like most I just don't know about McGee. There are flashes where I am like wow, this guy can be great and capable of giving even the likes of DHoward fits. But most of the time I am like what is he doing, and we gotta get rid of this guy he will never get it.

I think he could be better served with a move to PF. He just doesn't have the leg strength, no weight in his trunk, to be a low post presence. Players like Sampson, Bol, McIlvane come to mind. Maybe he can develop into a Chandler or Camby type. I don't know. He just doesn't seem to have the fight or work ethic or desire. If you see the videos he makes he just comes off as a goof. Seems to be more interested in fashion than ball, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 11, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Ts35,

You're good, just as I thought. My comments of Yi are in the same vein as they were about Hinrich. I know you want see it that way, but I feel that Yi is out of position playing center. Now he might not do such a great jog at the 4/3, but I think those positions give him a better chance of success than at the 5.

Just as I've commented about Hinrich not manning up, I've said numerous times that Flip was playing Hinrich improperly and giving him to much credit/responsibility.

Nick Young, I haven't criticized hardly at all this season, because he is playing well, but last year was when I continually crucified him.

And you do realize of course that 26mpg is just half a game. That dog doesn't hunt for a starting center in my book, in this League. Especially in the light of the stats that one Mr. Kevin Broom just cited above.

McGee makes egregious mistakes, but I am not one to continually criticize him for them when IMO I see other things on the floor that affect his play by his teammates and the way he is coached.

There is a great amount of personal improvement to be had in McGee's case, but sometimes the cause for the greatest personal improvement can be spurred from without rather than from within.

McGee needs a heavy dose of both and I don't feel that Saunders is doing an acceptable job with McGee as well as other players under his tutorlege.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I am excited about the upcoming draft.

Players I have targeted that should definately be available at our picks:

1st round - Terrance Jones

SF with size and athleticism, among SEC leaders in scoring and rebounding as freshman. Allstar potential, and physically NBA ready now.

ATL pick (1st round) - PF Markieff Morris

Big, strong and athletic 6-10 low post player in mold of a Carlos Boozer type. Plays phyical, can defend and rebound, with offensive potential.

2nd round - SG Justin Holiday

Fast and quick perimeter defender, brother of Jrue Holiday. Needs to get stronger and improve offensively, but very fast defensive oriented player with with good length (6-6) and high motor.


If we come out of the draft with these 3 I will be thrilled! Unfortunately, does not address the center position. Perhaps we can bolster the center spot via free agency?

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 11, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

You're good, just as I thought. My comments of Yi are in the same vein as they were about Hinrich. I know you want see it that way, but I feel that Yi is out of position playing center. Now he might not do such a great jog at the 4/3, but I think those positions give him a better chance of success than at the 5.

Once again Larry, you're making up issues where none exist. I'm not advocating for Yi to play the 5 -- I'm actually not advocating for him to play much at all. My point was actually that you laid all of Yi's struggles on the idea that Flip was playing him at the wrong position, rather than simultaneously analyzing what things Yi might do to be more effective. At least with KH, you questioned Flip's D, and you also questioned KH's ability to play D. With McGee....you just blame Flip.

And you do realize of course that 26mpg is just half a game. That dog doesn't hunt for a starting center in my book, in this League. Especially in the light of the stats that one Mr. Kevin Broom just cited above.

Well, perhaps he would play more if he played better :) By the way, way to cite the data while ignoring his conclusions.

But the fact that he plays more than half the game belies your notion that he gets pulled if he plays poorly in the first few minutes.

McGee makes egregious mistakes, but I am not one to continually criticize him for them when IMO I see other things on the floor that affect his play by his teammates and the way he is coached.

Exactly. You see it all as a one-sided issue. How he is coached affects how he plays. And rarely, if ever, acknowledging that how he chooses to play affects how he is coached.

There is a great amount of personal improvement to be had in McGee's case, but sometimes the cause for the greatest personal improvement can be spurred from without rather than from within.

If McGee doesn't want it, no one can want it for him.

When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

We can swap aphorisms all day, but the truth is that McGee will get better when McGee wants to get better. You can't blame coaching for some of the mistakes he continues to make. You know, like dribbling. He has been coached not to do certain things, and yet he persists. How are we suddenly to expect that whatever Flip does will inspire some great change?

Nick Young, I haven't criticized hardly at all this season, because he is playing well, but last year was when I continually crucified him.

Strangely, Nick is thriving in part because he is playing the way the coaches asked him to. Once he did those things -- learned to shoot coming off of screens, gave consistent effort on both ends of the floor, cutting down on the foolish plays -- he started getting more regular minutes. My goodness what a revelation!

Don't mistake what I'm saying, Flip's not faultless by any stretch, but he is certainly not the sole source of issues.

Posted by: ts35 | March 11, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"To summarize: The data suggests that when McGee plays well and stays out of foul trouble, he gets more minutes and the team plays better. It does not appear to support the argument that the team would be better if only the coaching staff would get him more playing time."

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 11:37 AM

The stats also indicate as quoted:

"The game-by-game data shows that McGee's per minute performance declines steadily when his minutes go down. For example, his Game Score goes from 16.5 per 40 minutes in games where he plays 36 or minutes to 14.2 when he plays 30-34; 13.1 at 25-29; 10.5 at 20-24; and 5.4 at fewer than 20 minutes.

He grabs nearly 14 rebounds per 40 minutes in those high-minute games, but only 10.8 in all other games. His turnovers per minute go up when he plays less; his efficiency drops; his per minute scoring falls; his fouls skyrocket. McGee's +/- and the team's record follow the same trend."

So, he states that giving McGee more playing time does not automatically mean that the Team would be better, but he does state that McGee's +/- and the team's record follow the same trend.

And what is the major factor in McGee having a good +/- performance? High mpg.

What determines High mpg? How he plays in the first few minutes of the game.

If I were Flip and if there is any credence to these factors, I would be trying to always give McGee more mpg even when he starts out badly. Is it something that Flip and McGee can overcome when McGee starts badly rather than always benching him and thereby cutting his mpg average down.

The facts seem to indicate that when he plays over 30mpg his +/- goes up across the board.

Does a bad start have to always mean less mpg as has always been Flips solution?

And is it really certain as Flip seems to be believe that McGee will always play poorly when he starts badly and thereby he automatically restricts his minutes.

It seems to me that there is a predetermined psche here that both Flip and McGee are acting out. Which one of them will break the trend.

The Flip protagnist will say that McGee has to, I am sure.

The Flip antagonist like myself says it is encumbent on the coach not to have this scenario continually play out to the detriment of the Team. If McGee cannot change this himself, then it is up to the coach to change it for the betterment of the Team. Just sending McGee to the bench and reducing his minutes when he appears to start badly hasn't solved the problem as of yet and there isn't any indications that this strategy is working for Flip, McGee, or the Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"And what is the major factor in McGee having a good +/- performance? High mpg."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 11, 2011 1:17 PM

Nope.

Let me first reiterate how utterly meaningless I consider the +/- stat to be. That said, however . . .

There's really only 1 factor that determine's a player's =/- rating and it ain't PT. Plus/minus is determined by whether and how much a player's team outscores the opposition when he's on the floor, regardless of PT.

In other words: A guy can play 30 minutes, but if his team gets outscored by 12 in those 30 minutes, he's going to have a -12 plus/minus. Conversely, a guy who plays 8 minutes, but whose team outscores the opposition by 6 in those 8 minutes will have a plus/minus of +8. Playing time has nothing to do with it.

That concludes the fact-based portion of this proceeding. Please continue with the meaningless, empty rhetorical portion.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 11, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

EDIT:

"Conversely, a guy who plays 8 minutes, but whose team outscores the opposition by 6 in those 8 minutes will have a plus/minus of +6."

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 11, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Just another example that Flip is the wrong man for this job...this team is too cavalier in there approach to the game of basketball. there's never a seriousness or any professionalism to there approach to the game. Players whether they are amateurs or pros need a working environment that demands discipline and that there will be consequences to there inaction.

Posted by: BORNSEAN | March 11, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"So, he states that giving McGee more playing time does not automatically mean that the Team would be better, but he does state that McGee's +/- and the team's record follow the same trend.posted by LarryInClintonMD"

I think this is probably why Broome went to the trouble of posting a summary: he figured people would get confused the way you apparently did.

Here it is again:
"To summarize: The data suggests that when McGee plays well and stays out of foul trouble, he gets more minutes and the team plays better. It does not appear to support the argument that the team would be better if only the coaching staff would get him more playing time."

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight... Flip wanted to demote his best rebounding/energetic big man to the D League?

That is the most ludicrous thing I've heard from him. And trust me, he's said some dumb things this year.

Ted, please find another coach. He clearly has no clue. Maybe if Flip would have played him a bit more instead of insisting on playing Andray at the PF for extended minute, he would have noticed that Booker is a good player.

Posted by: squidward1 | March 11, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

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